Thanks for the excellent Beato video..
I found this form Rick Beato very informative:
Grammy for AI generated music
I’m elderly and a seasoned listener. I am also a traditionalist and institutionalist. I grew up in Memphis,TN listening and having the honor to meet some amazing musicians — like Elvis, Issac Hayes, Al Green, Staple Singers, Otis Redding, Barkays, Booker T & MG’s, and Rufus Thomas. Stax Records, King Studios, Blues Alley, and Beale Street were only a bus stop away, where they sometimes welcomed limited resource black kids like me into the studios and clubs. Today, I heard a newly released, AI generated R&B ballad. It was strikingly good. The originator openly acknowledged that she could not sing nor play an instrument, but was very creative. AI gave her a creative vehicle. Will a day come when the Academy recognizes and lauds the people talent that oversees AI developed music? I for one think it’s in our music future. Much like film ultimately came to partner with stage.
Excellent post as usual thanks ghdprentice
But you miss something here which we can perceive only if we understand the tetrad of factors by McLuhan easily the greatest thinker about technology history and understanding... if you read my post you will see i add a fifth factor unknown to McLuhan who died before A.I. N. N. LLM revolution 5 years ago... This 5 th factor explain why this revolution we lived through has everything in common with the past one, but something new never seen and never understood as possible before .. This analysis is impossible if we dont understand language and technology history as one history as demonstrated for the first time by McLuhan in all his books ( Try laws of media and understanding medias) .. Now language and technology are no more only common human property and characteristics...(insects or crows and apes has also both but not in the way our language created cumulative history ) the 5Th factor is the auto-destruction of humanity (not terminator like but as a hive divided between elite cyborgs and destituted human) this factor is named a "progress" by transhumanist and oligarchs.. The 5th factor consist in the separation of human language from technology and the separation of human technology from A.I. language.It is the first time in history where human were destituted from human language ownership and human technology ownership...This is called a "progress" but it is not, this progress has a cost: the lost of our human nature and of our threefold free social fabric for a hive ... The transhumanists know it well ... This is social and individual auto-destruction... Why? Am i against A.I. technology to cure cancer ? No... But the race to A.I. is not a race for a better tool but for a master to dominate the rest of the world... Our threefold free social fabric is replaced under our eyes by a totalitarian dream soon coming true with UBI and digital control ( Ask Larry Fink how and why )
Now if you dont think about the way speech and technology are human creative attributes as ONE phenomenon as described by McLuhan and do not understand how they relate to each other as one power as described by McLuhan genius in his letter above, feel free to call me a Luddite ...
«Did you claim that my phone is a metaphor?» -- Groucho Marx
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I am very concerned about AI alignment. But putting that aside... change is typically considered unique and bad this time: 1. Socrates (5th century BCE) 2. Plato (sort of continuing Socrates)
3. The Medieval Church (15th century) — Against the Printing Press
4. The 18th & 19th Century Romantic Poets (Wordsworth, Blake, etc.)
5. The Luddites (1811–1816)
6. Henry David Thoreau (mid-19th century)
7. Leo Tolstoy (late 19th century)
8. Friedrich Nietzsche (late 19th century)
9. Martin Heidegger (1950s)
10. Jacques Ellul (1954) — The Technological Society
11. Neil Postman (1980s–1990s)
12. Jaron Lanier (2000s–present)
13. And yes… Ted Kaczynski (Unabomber) (deeply problematic but relevant) |
@au_lait - those are good points all! In my view, though, art doesn't require anything but the artist's intent. |
@mahgister The Rick Beato video he says... " I could just cover this song and says it's my song" "They are NOT my songs they are actually versions of other peoples ideas." Isn't that the evolution process of music? Rick went to school and studied 'other peoples music' for years. All genres and styles are taken from previous artists. That's why they sound similar. They all look and listen to other artists! Mick Jagger studied James Brown and developed his own version. Guitar licks from Van Halen or Jimmy Page have been modified endlessly. Producers of music want artists to ...produce. Taylor Swift is producing music albums at an incredible rate. Do you think she writes them all on her own? No way. It all about money... For years talented song writers were paid for their creativity. Now AI does it free and has been used by top artists for years. It's simply faster to produce. That song would take Rick Beato a long time to create on his own. AI did it in no time and the result even surprized him. He actually thought the end result was quite good. He would like to censur and eliminate AI. Why? Because no one can make money. BTW... Suno makes millions and creates jobs for people to live on. How about that!
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