What Does 80 Grand Get You Nowadays?


A system was playing in a shop. I sat down and pretty soon I thought gosh, I’m glad my system sounds better than this.

That system - just preamp, amp, and speakers - cost about $80,000 new.

I didn’t make the speakers at first, because Sabrinas look far better than the usual Wilson house look. They were driven by one of those new high-end Marantz amps, and I don’t think that was a match made in heaven. The Marantz was driven by a Dan D’Agostino pre that looked like a Minion had been crushed in a hydraulic press. Audiophile music was streaming, but I did not catch whence issued those dulcet ones and zeroes.

I suppose that system constitutes high-end for some. Now, it certainly sounded competent, but it also sounded boring. I thought, this is the Audi SUV of audio: competent and boring.

Conversely, I was impressed and pleased to no end that the end sound of my modest system from the last century could play in the same league as an almost-six figure modern system, and do so in a more engaging and fun fashion - to my ears, at least.

I’m biased, of course; and I am certain many high-priced systems out there leave mine in the dust. Still, I would have thought $80,000 guaranteed a better baseline sound.

How about you, have you heard a lot of gear whose sound was way out of whack with its price?

 

devinplombier

After getting the two kids through college with no debt and rebuilding a modest savings account, over the past four years I have upgraded my 1980s/1990s audio system, and I have done it for substantially less than half of the $80K figure. (Full disclosure here--I am what would be considered a very senior citizen and my ears endured a fair amount of artillery and automatic weapons fire, both incoming and outgoing, during my tour as a junior Infantry officer in Vietnam, so my hearing rolls off fairly sharply above about 12 khz.) I think the answer, as others have said, is finding the right combination of components, starting with the speakers.  

I was able to purchase a pair of Fyne F-702 speakers before a sharp price increase, and those speakers have formed the core of my system. After some experimentation, I have found that--for me--the combination of a tube preamp (Rogue RP-7) and solid state amplification is the best combination--a tube preamp with even a very good tube power amp seemed to me to result in less resolution and a bit of "mushiness."  Replacing that tube amp with mono bloc solid state amps (Odyssey Kismet's in Khartago cases) and adding Silversmith Fidelium speaker cables have given me the sound I want.  

Aside from my speakers, my most expensive purchase was the recent addition of an Innuos Stream 1 with internal storage and the Phoenix USB reclocker module, which is providing superb music reproduction quality via Tidal; in fact, I have not played a CD since the Stream 1 arrived.  I have an excellent sound stage, great tonal qualities of the instruments and voices, and I am hearing things in the music--such as the performer moving closer to the microphone and grace notes in classical music--that I have never heard before.Can this system be improved upon with higher grade components, most notably purchasing a higher grade preamplifier?  Undoubtedly, but it is highly questionable whether or not I could hear the difference.  And, after all, it is all about the music ... at least to me.

@mike4597 thank you for your service! And good on ya. Enjoy the system. Rogue is awesome stuff. I had RP-1 and RP-5 paired with ST100. Great sound. 

The only thing i learned in that hobby is price often means "ignorance"...

Acoustics basic with simple electrical and mechanical knowledge is enough to make any system a decent sound quality experience...

And a living room is not an acoustical dedicated room...

DSP and  mechanical acoustics control of the system/room  means more for the evaluation of the sound quality of a system than the price tag of brand ...

Than 80,000 bucks is enough now for me to reach acoustic  heaven few times...smiley

I took a screenshot. It was such a low blow, I had to. I usually take the high road, but you can’t have it both ways and rely on the grace of civilized people with empathy. 

Subject-wise: if I had to spend 80K, I would give 79K to AOC and from 1K I'd buy a second sub.

Not to let facts get in the way, but I had to check the assertion that Marantz house sound is “rolled off”.  In 2022, Stereophile did a review of the 40N, a $2500 integrated, and Atkinsons’s measurements showed it was about 0.2 db down at 20khz at 2 ohms!  That is not rolled off!  Now, I am not suggesting Marantz/D’Agostino/Wilson would sound good, but painting with such broad strokes about an entire brand seems gratuitous to me.  

Btw, 25 years ago I bought an Audio Refinement Complete integrated amp to pair with some JMLabs floorstanders.  It was a nice combo, in part because the Conplete had a “tube-like sound” that tamed the bright treble of the speakers.  “Tube-like” was polite for rolled off; an old stereophile review actually showed the roll-off in the measurements.  (It was down 2.5 db at 20hz.)