Caps for crossover upgrade for Opera Grand Callas Loudspeakers


Hi, first of all excuse me for my English.
I’d like to upgrade crossover of my beloved Opera Grand Callas Loudspeakers
http://www.operaloudspeakers.com/en/collections/callas-line/grand-callas.html
I’ve got a Merging Hapi as dac, Soulution 721 preamplifier and Krell Fpb 400cx amplifier, I use pure Ag Lasound cables (http://www.lasound.it/en/)
Here you could find more information about my loudspeakers.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9kNUs8PnpkEa21XMjRmaE5ZdWs
They use Scanspeak 9700 tweeter from 2khz and above, Seas 6" custom midrange from 200hz to 2Khz and two Scanspeak 8" aluminium woofers.
Woofer could be this, but I’m not sure
https://www.scan-speak.dk/products/prod-woofer/?single_prod_id=157
While midrange is very similar to this
http://www.seas.no/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=101:h1520-08-u16rcyp&cat...
Here is the schema of the crossover, maybe it could be quite different, I haven’t yet dismount the woofer in order to take photos, but this schema is taken from the my loudspeakers’ little sisters, the Opera Callas Diva, that are a little smaller and with only one woofer instead of two.
http://i66.tinypic.com/etil95.jpg
And here is a photo taken from Opera Callas Diva crossover.
http://i67.tinypic.com/16blocz.jpg
As you can see, and in this respect I know that it’s the same as my loudspeakers, capacitors used are Mundorf Evo Aluminium.
I’d like to change the 6,8 uF capacitor used for the front tweeter and the 10 uF used as bypass capacitors for midrange in order to obtain e more relaxing and refined sound. I’d like to have more air, more natural and organic sound without loss in high frequencies extension.
I like my loudspeakers very much, but sometimes I found the sound, especially with not perfectly recorded and mixed records, a little bit on the hard side in the uppermid frequencies, especially on female voices.
I think it could depends on Mundorf Evo caps that are known to be a little "nervous", so I think to go for a Jupite Copper Foil Paper and Wax caps for the 6,8uF (eventually with a Duelund Silver 0,01uF bypass) and maybe a Jantzen Alumen ZCap for 10uF midrange cap, I know it could be better to use another Jupiter Copper for midrange, but I don’t know if there is enough space for it.
Have you any suggestions?
For midrange caps what do you think of Jupiter VT? What are the differences between Jupiter VT and Copper Foil in terms of sound? And between Jupiter Vt and Jantzen Alumen Zcap?
Thanks.
grunter
If he doesn't see this post try reaching out to member @grannyring, he is a modding genius.
Live with the fact it's the RECORDING.
Nice speaker. I have the Seconda. Been putting off upgrading because their not perfect, but realize they sound as good as whatever recording is played thru them.
If the upgrade works, great.
Those caps are top notch for their type. Magico uses them or very similar, and .... I don't like them! :)

I far prefer Clarity CMR + 0.1uF Copper foil bypass caps. as giving a much more natural and relaxed presentation. If money is no object, size might be though, so be sure in any upgrades you check the physical dimensions, especially with the Jupiter and Duelund copper foil caps.
It would be interesting to see the impedance curve, but the 100uF shunt cap on the woofer is interesting. They usually need 0.5 Ohms to 2 Ohms to prevent an impedance issue in the next driver up.

Don't replace it willy-nilly. Measure the ESR and add a resistor if needed.


Best,
E
Actually, given the costs involved here, before you begin, you should probably invest in a Dayton DATS V2.

Measure the impedance of the entire speaker, and it will let you measure the ESR and DCR of any components you pull out.

Then you can use it along with something like XSim to simulate the electrical characteristics fully.

You'll also be able to use it to help you diagnose problems when you re-assemble the crossover.

Best,
E
Thanl you Erik, but I only want to change 2 caps: 6,8uF on front tweeter and 10uF on midrange, nothing else.
Obviously only if it's possible to remove the Mundorf Evo and put in the same location of crossover the new caps.
So you have good experience with Clarity Cap CMR bypassed by a copper caps. Which one?
Duelund tinned copper bypass, Audyn Copper Max?
Thanks.
In what do you prefer CMR Clarity Cap over Duelund and Jupiter?
Thanks.
The impedance of my loudspeakers had to be very similar to the little sister Opera Callas Diva.
Here is their impedance and also other measurements.

http://i68.tinypic.com/dqi15z.jpg


So you have good experience with Clarity Cap CMR bypassed by a copper caps. Which one?


I used the Audyn TruCopper models.


In what do you prefer CMR Clarity Cap over Duelund and Jupiter?


Cost and size! But if I could afford Jupiter copper foils I would.  Unfortunately my current custom speakers require about 14uF in the tweeter, about $800 / speaker and that's just not money I have.


Mundorf Supreme <<<<< Clarity CMR (with bypass) < Jupiter


and never heard the Duelunds. I find the Clarity has a very neutral, and very open presentation. Jupiter adds sweetness. Mundorf to my ears adds a Disney-like sheen, or scintillation quality to everything and while it’s pretty, it’s unnatural and often too cool sounding for me.


Just thought I’d chime in here, as I recently installed new Duelund .01uf Pure Silver Foil bypass caps over both series and shunt caps in 2nd order crossover of well broken in ClarityCap CMR in my Merlin VSM-MXs. This is a synergistic combination of the neutrality and detail of CMR, with added warmth and bloom from the small Duelund bypass. I wouldn’t go above .01uf with this. It’s an improvement all across FR. The only downside is a slight reduction in soundstage depth. Duelund’s embellishment of the presence region is a more forward presentation. Maybe this will settle back with break-in. There is a slight loss of resolution, but no smearing or tubbiness as often found with oil caps.

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Hey @dgarretson

What uF were the Clarity you bypassed?
My experience has been that below 4-5uF I can't hear any difference in bypassing them.

I also used 0.047 Duelund pure silver caps on the 10 uF caps I have. No difference for me.

I needed at least 0.1uF to make a difference, and only on the bigger caps.

I forgot if you saw the speaker I put the CMRs in. :)


Best,

E

@erik_squires The series cap to the Esotar tweeter is 5.9uf. The shunt cap to the Scanspeak 8545 mid/woofer is 17uf. IIRC, crossover is around 2000Hz. The greatest change with the .01uf Duelund bypass is heard in mids to LF. The change is rather dramatic, though still a matter of taste.
Ahhhh, that makes more sense, @dgarretson

Based on my experience, I'd really love to try using smaller CMR caps to build up larger values. I think there's something about the uF being larger than 4 ~ 5 uF that matters. I don't have any money for this and barely any energy either though. :)

Best,
E

everything can be upgraded
@erik_squires I don’t understand what you mean about uF quantity and bypass caps.
I think that all is proportional, ie a 0,01 bypass caps on 6,8uF has more effect than the same 0,01 bypass caps on 15uF.
Am I wrong?
You have said that "My experience has been that below 4-5uF I can’t hear any difference in bypassing them."
While my logic would be that the more is value of original cap and the less is the effect of a 0,01uF bypass caps.
Hi  @grunter

If a 10uF cap was exactly like 2 x 5uF caps and those were exactly 2 x 2.5uF caps you'd be correct.


However, in listening to Clarity CMR caps I have not found this to be true, but this could be due to the the specific crossover I was working on.


Audyn True copper caps are relatively inexpensive, so I strongly suggest listeners who are curious try it out for themselves, and come back and tell me I'm wrong. :D


Best,

Erik
I'd really love to try using smaller CMR caps to build up larger values

Thus decreasing L disproportionately to C increase. L and ESR calculations get messy with non-identical capacitors. Doubly so when mixing dielectrics and manufacturers .

Bottom line, one may like the change, but it's pretty much one off, in situ.

Which renders all similar capacitor and component type recommendations suspect for general guidelines!!!
In contrast to a conventional metalized polypropylene capacitor, the contribution to performance associated with the copper litz lattice embedded in the zinc end spray of CMR, increases with diameter. 
That's not to say that it won't benefit from a good small-value bypass cap.
Or not.

Model up all the LC & ESR and thing can get ugly fast.

This is not to say that adding a bypass won't alter the sound. It's just that all might not agree that it is an improvement.
A very ineresting cap (sadly quite expensive) is the Lefson c-mod spk.
http://www.lefson.com/cmodspk.php

I've asked price and measures and they are quite small

C-MOD SPK G2 6,8uF/200V - Dimensions = 60x33x32mm - Price : 330€ / each
C-MOD SPK G2 10uF/200V - Dimensions = 60x48x32mm - Price : 375€ / each

" For your information, all the C-MOD models are actually available and manufactured with the GENERATION 2 technology (major sonic improvement from the first generation) and, for the moment only, sold at the same price than first. LEFSON website and online store will be updated soon."

Tell me the vendor.
I think resistors are overlooked sometimes. Changing from a ceramic or Mills to a Path Audio resistor in the tweeter's signal path can be as important as a cap change sometimes. The Path Audio's are very smooth and detailed. $30 for a resistor is high compared to $1 or $5, but compared to cap prices it's cheap for the results.
I think resistors are overlooked sometimes. Changing from a ceramic or Mills to a Path Audio resistor in the tweeter's signal path can be as important as a cap change sometimes. The Path Audio's are very smooth and detailed. $30 for a resistor is high compared to $1 or $5, but compared to cap prices it's cheap for the results.
Hi grunter !
Using Duelund Silver bypass especially on treble/midrange will make a clear difference,
speaking of own experience. 

Regards,
Clabe