Some help please with Cartridge choices


I currently am using a Van den Hul Crimson, which I really like, with my Nottingham table.  I am likely going to get it retipped and then use as a back up.  My dealer has recommended My sonic labs as a good upgrade, but they seem to be unobtanium currently.  He floated the Hana Umami black as an alternative, as well as Koetsu and Air tight.  I prefer a musical and less analytical sound, more rounded than sharp edges. The Hana is in the budget and available.  Any thoughts? Thanks.

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I woke up thinking about the Lyra Atlas cartridge.

I only listened to two tracks, of interesting but totally unfamiliar music, so it is quite possible it was the content, not the cartridge that I found uninvolving.

Had I been paying more attention, I bet there was some familiar content I could have put on.

As I said, I knew instantly that it was a cut above, asked what it was, they told me it was Lyra Atlas, then I put my brain into listen to the cartridge mode.

I said feeble memory, I can remember the position of the TT against the window wall, and the location of the stacks of LPs on the left side in the room, but I don’t recall what room, what TT, who was playing it. Sorry, I should have realized at the time how rare a chance it was.

I hadn’t been to a show in a Long time. I was anticipating a crowded, hot, mess, crowded rooms and hallways like the old days.

@elliottbnewcombjr I bought one of the ART 750 ANV cartridges after Mikey Fremer ran his comparison and it beat everything else.  It had a diamond cantilever.  It was a good cartridge, but in truth I preferred my 2M Black, which I recently up graded to a 2M Black LVB when it needed a new stylus.  The ART 750 ANV is kicking around in a drawer somewhere, I've been kind of searching for it recently.  I think the stylus is shot though.  Anyway, if that world beater (yawn) is any indicator, a diamond cantilever is not so great.  It takes the sum of all the parts to make a great sounding cartridge.  It is not any one thing.  And every taste is unique too.

Wow Hana Unami Black is quite the recommendation. Starting you quite high...lol

I was going to suggest the Benz Micro who have a good range. I am currently using a Benz Wood LPS paired with a Reed 2G Ebony tonearm on my TT Zet-3 and a Benz Wood SL on my Marantz connected on an MC high setting on my Phono preamp. Not sure what the actual quantitative measurement is though. LPS is good choice and could save a few bucks compared to the Hana that was suggested. I love the sound of Benz product as it appeals to me. I have used Ortofon but found that up and down the line, the sound to be on the clinical even a tad harsh sound compared to the much more musical and rounded characteristics of the Benz line.

Bill, Don't know about your ART750ANV, but I have a Dynavector 17D3, which also has a diamond cantilever, however tiny it may be.  I don't brag about the 17D3 here, but it is really great. I have had it on my Viv Float in my Beveridge system and now in a Reed 2A in my Atma-sphere/Sound Lab system. In each very different environment, it excels.  I guess the current version is 17DX.  I don't know the cost of the 17DX, but the D2 and the subsequent D3 were very good values at under $2K. I am not going to claim that the excellence of the 17D3 is due to its diamond cantilever, just offering it up as an example.

Just came across this

https://www.leson.org/choose-phono-cartridge/

excerpt:

"Cantilever Material Comparison


Phono Cartridge Cantilever Material Comparison


Phono Cartridge Main Cantilever Materials



The cantilever acts as the mechanical bridge between the stylus and the generator system, transmitting the minute groove modulations with precision and speed.

The choice of cantilever material directly influences the cartridge’s:

  • Speed and transient response

  • Resolution and clarity

  • Tonality and musical character

  • Susceptibility to resonance and coloration

Ideally, the cantilever should be as lightrigid, and well-damped as possible, minimizing unwanted resonances and faithfully transmitting stylus motion to the generator.

Here is a comparison of common cantilever materials:

Aluminum

Still widely used in many MM and entry-level MC cartridges. Aluminum is inexpensive and easy to manufacture, offering good basic performance. However, it is relatively soft and can exhibit internal resonance and flexing, which may introduce subtle coloration and limit ultimate detail retrieval.

Sapphire

Extremely rigid and hard, sapphire provides very high resolution and excellent tracking precision. However, it can sometimes lend the sound a slightly cooler or more analytical character, depending on the overall cartridge design.

Ruby

Similar in performance to sapphire, ruby adds a subtle sense of crystalline precision to the sound. It is less commonly used today but remains a beautiful and highly resolving material in the right implementation.

Boron

Boron has become the reference material in many of the best high-end MC designs. It is very stiff, extremely light, and has excellent internal damping properties. This allows for fast transient responseclean articulation, and a natural tonal balance. Boron cantilevers offer an excellent combination of performance and practicality.

Diamond

At the top of the hierarchy, a solid diamond cantilever offers unmatched stiffness, the lowest possible moving mass, and the purest transmission of stylus motion. It can deliver astounding claritymicrodynamic precision, and an uncanny sense of space and transparency. However, it is extremely difficult and expensive to manufacture, and is reserved for the cost-no-object phono cartridges.

Finding the Sweet Spot:

For most Analog Lovers, boron strikes the ideal balance. It combines exceptional rigidity and speed with musicality and ease of integration into a wide range of system designs. This is why it is the material of choice in many of today’s most respected high-performance MC cartridges, including those from Le Son."