Is ASR for real, or is it only for those sub $1k or even sub $2K?


I did some browsing on the forum and it seems like most don't own very expensive gears.  Most of them own mostly sub 1K or 2K gears.  

I recently ask about feedback on the Polk R700 but after about a month with no responds.  I did a search "ASR Polk R700", with all but one poster which actually owned a pair.  Most of them would point you to some measurement and some theoretical discussion but non actually own a pair.

I also looked at a few posts on budget speakers such as the Kef Q7 or Polk R600, but I didn't see any actual owners responding.  

I don't mean to knock on them but ASR seems like a lot of hype but very little substance.

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Subjectivist myths exist...

Debunk them...

But all these articles i quoted are a debunking of the Amir objectivist stance...

Debunk him too ...

Me i am not baffled by your post at all ...

 Why being baffled by mine ?

Hearing theory is the only ground to start for debunking anything in audio Audiophiles as well as Amir...Period.

All the articles i quoted point to a new ecological theory of hearing...

The Kunchur papers on cables are one thing. i am not qualified to judge them , but his others papers are way more interesting and important ...

 

«"Baffle" can mean to confuse someone completely» I dont think anything i said is confusing at all ...

Hearing theory is beyond the ideological stances of audio gangs : audiophiles versus Amir, Audiogon versus ASR banner... 

What is confusing it is this ridiculous opposition which do not exist in acoustics science...

Amir oppose his tools against the ears of audiophiles and the audiophiles trust their ears. it is evident that none of them alone is right ....

It is why Kunchur called Amir a guru....

He is evidently right if Amir claim his measures said it all and audiophiles are all deluded consumers...he is evidently right if Amir has no theory of hearing and no clue about it as it is evident  reading his answers to Kunchur main article which is not about cables...

 

@mahgister Still baffled, man! I’m interested in debunking audiophile myths that are derived from flawed theories, commercial snake-oil, limited testing and evaluation, and simple gullibility. I don’t see a logical parallel with "debunk spirits existence before inquiring about their existence to begin with..." For audiophile myths, these can be debunked by showing them to be false. An inquiry into their existence would be to simply read the claims of those who promote such myths.

Finally, I read several of your papers back in the day, including Kunchur on cables! I’m not arguing at all about the content of most of them, just that I don’t see what you are so vexed about and how this applies to well, just about anything!

@kerrybh Yeah, I'm not really passionate about this stuff, just interested in how people think. Things don't impress me much any longer.

I love the phrase "epistemic humility" to describe the best reasoning and theorizing. Our better selves are calm, divested, and attached to creativity, novelty, and treating others with care.

I read Erin's Audio Corner, as well, and Stereophile via Apple News+ but discount most of the elongated prose in the latter because it is tied directly to marketing and advertising, which Erin is only mildly (affiliate links), and ASR is not (well AsciLab mildly). I always learn something, though!

@markwd  why are we all arguing about this stuff, no stereo system sounds even close to live unamplified music, so what you decide sounds closer and what I decide sounds closer is what is important.

@mahgister I'm baffled by your vague hints at some great gulf between you and Amir. Go over to ASR or elsewhere and explain exactly what he gets wrong and how he might improve. I'd love to read it!

Ok i owe you an  apology ...

Yeah, I’m not really passionate about this stuff,

Contrary to you i am passionate about this stuff as for any stuff interesting me ...

I read any books on any field  as if it was a question of life and death... If not, i dont read a book..

In life my job was advising students about  the books they need and how to read it...

Then i takes books very seriously ...

Then i gave you my sincere apology if my answers disturbed your peace of mind ...

I am too serious...

My best sincerely to you ...