Is ASR for real, or is it only for those sub $1k or even sub $2K?

markwd

... If there is nothing present in the signal that might be the basis for a claimed experience, then the claimed experience is ...

You reveal your bias by characterizing the experience of others as a "claimed experience." You're discounting the evidence before you've examined it.

It's not some kind of inverted bias to simply say that it is unlikely there are auditory differences when measurements support that claim.

No, it's not "inverted bias" - it's absolute bias pure and simple. Direct experience is a key part of the scientific method, yet you dismiss the empirical evidence as merely a "claim" because it doesn't dovetail with your belief system. So you're a measurementalist, not a scientist.

@cleeds 

Not at all!

There is no bias in describing someone’s claims as exactly that, claims, other than a bias towards clarity in description. Nothing has been discounted.

Of course direct experience is part of science that is examined with lenses like measurement. In audio science, for instance, preference curves for headphones were developed by asking people what they prefer (their claims about quality).

See, this is why ASR is so valuable. It provides depth that helps overcome these broad generalizations and false dichotomies!

markwd

... There is no bias in describing someone’s claims as exactly that, claims ...

You’re so biased that you don’t see the logical fallacy in your own argument. What you’ve done here is known as circular reasoning, or "begging the question." You’ve also discounted empirical evidence as a mere "claim," while elevating the status of measurement. That’s your belief system and makes you a measurementalist. That's fine as it is - the problem is that you pretend science is on your side.

 Funny, as my friend Jack White says One mans garbage is another mans gold. ASR is garbage...@markwd 

ASR is so valuable

I don't think you are using that correctly but I can change the word "claim" to "assertion" or "statement" without damage to my central point: evidence, objectively arrived at by measurements or accumulated from statements about experiences, is valuable in designing audio equipment. It's all evidence and is used as such.

Like I say, this is a false dichotomy.