Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
jafant

As a further update we are waiting on the special value caps to be completed that Tom created for notch filter. Also the CU caps. When they land I will embark upon the upgrade journey and have a completely new external crossover that can be A/B to the stock. We are in search of the correct gauge coils that Jim used. All resistors and caps will be upgraded as will internal wiring that Tom designed. 

Design of the CS 7.2 crossover enclosure will begin next week. I can show CAD models of it when I have it done. This will be what I do to get the xover outboard but is not what I see Thiel Renaissance doing. I’m merely providing a room with a Thiel speaker that can be heard with the work Tom has been doing. The looks of the final product iwill no doubt be different.

I'm in the performance business and that is exactly where my priorities lay. Placing second is being the first person to lose. . 

Tom

Time to pull the tools out and strap a twin turbo in the CS 7.2. 

 

duramax747

Thank You for being such a valuable member of The Panel.  We all cannot wait to see those CAD models. Exciting times ahead in 2026.

 

Happy Listening!

ronkent

Good to see you here, as always.  Thank You for sharing your experience visiting Roger.  No doubt you guys had a great session. Tom and his team at Thiel Renaissance are working diligently for upgrade packages in 2026.

 

Happy Listening!

About Roger's room - I'm glad you guys got to experience it. We built it to demonstrate our ongoing work optimizing Thiel speakers and their partnering systems while minimizing the unknowns of a playback room. Much confusion and mis-direction comes from attributing anomalies, problems and limitations to the speaker when in fact much of those things might come from the room. Our goal was an extraordinarily neutral, linear and pleasant playback environment that also sounded clean, natural and normal - not like a technical apparatus, but like a lovely place to visit. That's a tall order.

I am thrilled with this room. I have done many listening spaces in my career, with various clients, architects, builders contractors. Many of the final short-comings from those projects emanate from the false belief that 'a room is a room - get over it' attitude. Roger's approach was the opposite. He has been open to and an active contributor to the whole design-build process. And he's willing to go the extra mile in creating optimal solutions. I consider this collaboration among the most successful of my life.

In his existing industrial space, constraints and limitations come with the territory. One was a fairly small footprint that would normally require a short-wall speaker placement, with too-early first reflections. We turned it 90° for a nice stage and addressed the back-wall-bounce creatively. Roger had access to an open architecture cellulose tile which I first found in Brazil in the late 80s. It passes most of what hits it while introducing enough resistance to diffuse the hot spots in the propagation field. Behind that full semi-wall there is a 2' deep chamber before a very rigid non-bounce, non-resonant back wall. Access allows tuning of absorption in that chamber. Fiberglass was adjusted to occupy the areas of maximal pressure in the corners and center. 

Similarly the ceiling tiles pass some air through them into a 4' chamber under the roof with variable fiberglass, similarly tuned. The front and side walls are bare. Plugs were created to fill two troublesome windows in the front and side walls.

A major element occupies the front-side wall corners, floor to ceiling. I had previously executed elements of this structure, but never the whole thing (due to pushback as alluded to above.)  Roger jumped at the chance to go all the way. Imagine two quarter-columns of 2' radius with vertical slats about 1cm / 3/8" apart attached to resistive fabric and held in place by curved ribs. What you see are vertical floor-to-ceiling RedCedar slats with their grain pattern mirror-matched, left to right column. Roger had picked up on the CS5i matching system and tributed it here in his execution of the pair of traps. What a thrill. Those columns hold insulation at their bottom, mid and top, which was experimentally tweaked to 'just right'.

The floor is concrete slab which he covered in thick slab densified and torrified beech panels (the stuff you sometimes find on railroad boxcar floors.) As we worked the variables on my visit last summer, we removed a wool carpet we thought we might need in front of the listening post. Part of it ended up on the center of the back wall, behind the porous scrim.

My visit was limited to a couple of days, and Roger carried on the room tuning on his own. I'm confident it is well optimized, and I suspect that Ron and Bob got an earful. We hope for this room to serve all of us as we continue our Thiel Renaissance upgrade developments.