bits is bits


Being a retired IT tech, Iʻm a "bits is bits" guy. I keep seeing people rank different  streaming services against each other and I have to say, Iʻm mystified. Modern recordings are all digital masters and remastered. If two different hi-res streaming services, say Qobuz and Tidal, have the same track available, why would one sound different from the other, let alone better?

 

The stream is being fed over TCP/IP from the source, and I see no reason that it you were to do a cksum on the same file/track being delivered by either streaming service, that they would exactly match.  So why do people claim better sound from one streaming source over the other.  Iʻm assuming they are both full resolution sources, not mp3.

russbutton

@parkergetdean 

I am also a retired IT guy with 35 years of experience.  Without getting deep into the never ending arguement as to the "bits is bits", the big differences in the high to low end streamers are usually include:

  • general quality of components, including power supplies and shielding
  • how they handle the inherent jitter in the digital side, and the quality of the digital clocking circuit
  • how noise (electrical circuit and EMI/RF) is minimized or filtered out
  • amount and speed of buffering of the streaming data is available 
  • and probably the most important piece, is how well the digital "file" data is converted into the 'next' stage signal... such as analog if using the internal DAC, into an optical signal, SPIDIF, or HDMI.

And as @gkelly mentioned... typical computers are among the among the worst at just about all the above issues.

 

As for Qobuz sounding better than Tidal, I agree.  Not bringing hi-rez files into the discussion, I think a lot of it has to do with possibly different masters (or remasters) supplied from the original source(s), as well as differences in encoding software used to create the streaming file.  While I've never seen any info from either Qobuz or Tidal on what the format(s) they get or use for the "masters", I don't think those masters are what is actually streamed. Most likely they are ripped or converted (or down sampled from hi-rez, DSD, etc.) into a FLAC, AIFF, etc. file.  So different software, configurations, equalization settings, etc. would create differences...

... Just my 10 cents  (adjusted for tariffs and inflation... lol)

Jeff

 

Has the OP listened to different streaming services, or compared different equipment?  If so does he perceive any differences?

I will not claim to know the technical side of this issue. All I know is there is a difference between Qobuz and Apple Music. Ive only had one streamer, LUMIN U2 mini and I hope I can improve it in the future with an external power supply. I am a believer in improved sound with better designs and electrical parts. 

jeffbij

... I've never seen any info from either Qobuz or Tidal on what the format(s) they get or use for the "masters", I don't think those masters are what is actually streamed. Most likely they are ripped or converted (or down sampled from hi-rez, DSD, etc.) into a FLAC, AIFF, etc. file ...

I've been told by Qobuz execs that the service streams files exactly as received from the record company or distributor. There's no processing or other alteration to the files and the stream is never throttled even if there's heavy network traffic. Since it uses TCP/IP, it should be delivering a bit perfect file to your streamer.

I don't know much about what processes Tidal and other services use.

@lalitk +1 and I will add that the "well appointed" system will reveal what your sources are doing, good or bad.  That's when you can tell what needs upgrading.