2020 update : JC Verdier La Platine


A recent encounter with a JC Verdier dealer as well as a recent Audiogon discussion thread led to the start of this thread. He was in my house updating my La Platine which had been in storage for ten years with thread and oil. While he has high regards for the deck, his newer clients nevertheless prefer a Techdas iii than an 'old' La Platine. Given the proliferation of expensive decks in the past dozen years, La Platine has become very much under-appreciated. 

It's clear to me that the influence of the La Platine is everywhere to be found. Specifically, the magnetic suspension system that was employed 30+ years ago. Even SOTA offers their newer decks with mag. lev. features. And if you read this review: https://www.callas-audio.nl/Callas%20Platine%20Mod%20Kit%20Review.pdf, the Continuum Caliburn uses the same concept, which was not acknowledged in Fremer's review, albeit with more sophisticated , and expensive, execution.

It is also clear to me that there is much misunderstanding of the workings of the La Platine. I for one have contributed to this. The motor of the La Platine, for example, has been much maligned. The thread drive is another aspect of the turntable that have been described as inferior. With regard to the motor and thread drive, I have been set straight by Chris @ct0517 and Lyubomir @lbelchev. Experimenting with the different types of silk threads, the tightness to the platter  and a renewed understanding of the soundness of the Philips motor have been rewarded with better dynamics and transparency. 

The funny thing is that during the past two years of re-engagement with audio, I have questioned ownership of every components in my arsenal except the La Platine. It has always been a keeper. I wonder if La Platine owners would contribute to celebrating this 'old' deck with tales, advice, and insights?

Cheers!
ledoux1238

@mr_gray @ledoux1238 

With belt choices its important to remember than the shape of the pulley has to be suitable for each belt type -

Thread drive - the pulley needs a hemispherical groove for the thread to self centre and remain stable. Must be large enough for knot to go through uninterrupted. In terms of knots, I use with silk thread the knot recommended by micro seiki, the knot aligns itself automatically facing outwards from the pulley surface. I have checked my knots with various speed checking devices such as shaknspin, KAB speedstrobe and others and cannot see or measure any perturbation caused by the knot. The caveat here is that I use quite thin surgical silk.

Flat rubber belt - should ideally have a slightly concave pulley so that the belt does not wander up and down the spindle. The best belts such as those made for the original well tempered and the basis TT's are precision ground.

Tape - I have friends that have trialled various tape drives using mylar etc - you need a flat surfaced pulley with tape drive, and of course the pulley surface must be perfectly parallel to the side of the platter ( and the platter side must be perpendicular ).

As an aside I installed adjustable feet (3) on my Verdier motor pod - this enabled me to dial in precisely the correct alignment of the pulley to the platter - this is important for both accurate speed and stability of the belt as it rotates.

The original Verdier belt is round rubber - its main fault is that it is just a cheap O ring that is poorly made. Mine use to move up and down the platter by about half an inch as it rotated - this because the cross section was not round and quite rough. For a round rubber belt again the pulley shape needs to be concave so the belt does not wander up and down from the pulley.

I would assume the SOTA motor system and pulley is designed for a flat rubber belt as per the SOTA TT. I would assume Gallibrier designs his pulley for tape if that is intended. Any changes from the designers intention in terms of belt material may require a different pulley. Bear this in mind.

Personally I would probably try the SOTA Eclipse system because of the 3 phase AC. It's been in the market some time with good feedback. The speed controller system itself is very good. The original designer phoenix engineering also designed the motor drive and controller for the American Sound AS2000 TT which also uses heavy platter and air bearing. If you have a ton of money you could contact American Sound to see if you could buy their motor drive. I believe its a heavy duty version of the Sota Eclipse.

 

@dover this is excellent background to why my experimetn with mylar failed on a "vee" type pulley (sloped sides of channel and then small width of "flat").  

 

generally it is quite hard to find pulleys that have correct diameter for one s purposes but also a range of interfaces.  i got my pulley from a place called "Harfington".  i was not spoilt for choice.  

 

i received the wellfloat double today and have installed it and listened to it.  i do my main listening very late at night.  but i gave it a shot on a friday morning.  it does not magically solve footfall issues (which is not the reason i got it but i did think it would).  it does however create a wonderful tranquility about the record player and it allows for greater transparency and less distortion overall i think.  i will listen to it further over the coming days.  it is beautifully made i will say that.  

also i agree the SOTA is looking very good.  and possibly close to one third the price of the Galibier option (depending where price ends up for that) (albeit the Galibier is in a housing and the SOTA would require one to install it in a housing).

sorry one more thing @ledoux1238 you might appreciate this.  i had to take the whole record player apart to install the wellfloat.  everything came off the cabinet and then was reinstalled.  i even used a new thread as length changed between table and motor.  i got some tension on the thread.  started her up.  checked speed.  bang on 33.40 (which is where i like to be to allow for sone stylus drag).  the verdier motor would never!

@mr_gray  

I think a tight  coupling with more tension on the thread is the way to solve the speed issue. I don’t hear any downside. 
 

I sent an email to Donna @ SOTA initiating a purchase. @dover I asked whether a pulley more appropriate to tape drive could be installed. I’ll update when I hear back.