@zlone OR, he can bank that money, buy a dac with a better clock than the ddc and iuse whatever digital cable he wants!
Help! Looking for a DAC with some unique ablities...
Ok, maybe I'm wrong in thinking unique. Here's the situation:
Currently using a Bluesound to Luxman CL-38uc to a pair of Luxman M383 driving Eggleston Works Andra 2.
On the one hand I want to upgrade the DAC and possibly streamer side of things (I'm willing to continue using tthe Bluesound for streaming and upgrade that down the road)
On the other hand the one aspect of using the Bluedude that I really don't want to give up is the ability to use the app from anywhere in the house and control what I listen to and the volume. (I leave the preamp volume at a high level and then the Bluedude can control the volume with the variable out.) Far from the best option for sound quality but it sure makes life easy!
So... Is there a DAC out there that has a phone app to control it and variable balanced outputs?
A second option could be a combined streamer/DAC I suppose that has a phone app and variable balanced outputs.
I know ultimately all are compromised options vs sending the processed signal directly to the pre-amp and then utlizing the volume knob on the preamp. But when I'm listening to music 40-50 feet away (not sitting in the music seat!) then the abilitiy to control the music trumps the quality. Still I'd like to do what I can to limit the qualiy losses and improve what I have.
Any good opinions out there?
Thanks, E.
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@panzrwagn You are certainly right with your concerns purely mathematically. HOWEVER, within a factor of 10 I would argue it is inaudible. There is also data reduction at the pre-amp volume control = signal attenuation/reduction. Next, the worst culprits are the speakers, particularly with respect to loss of resolution. Then there is Fletcher Munson to consider, so brain processing. Accordingly, the digital volume control "argument" is a red herring. Re dynamic range, that is the ratio of loudest to quietest. Whether it is or 10,000:1,000 or 5,000:500, that is the same ratio, same range. Within reasonable limits, dynamic range is independent of volume. Don't worry that much, just happy listening. The only time you might worry is with very quiet passages in very low res files. You *might* be able to hear a difference in the fade out of a pop song. For anything more real world, it is inaudible. |
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You are certainly right with your concerns purely mathematically. HOWEVER, within a factor of 10 I would argue it is inaudible. I have no idea what you are talking about, what 'factor of 10' are you talking about. There is also data reduction at the pre-amp volume control = signal attenuation/reduction. Data reduction implies you are speaking of the digital domain, it certainly does not happen in analog. Next, the worst culprits are the speakers, particularly with respect to loss of. resolution. What's your metric for 'resolution'? If some thing is lost it must in in some quantifiable amount. Then there is Fletcher Munson to consider, so brain processing. Maybe you could rephrase that in a complete thought, or at least a complete sentence. Accordingly, the digital volume control "argument" is a red herring. No. Re dynamic range, that is the ratio of loudest to quietest. Whether it is or 10,000:1,000 or 5,000:500, that is the same ratio, same range. Within reasonable limits, dynamic range is independent of volume. Dynamic range is gated by the noise floor, whether of the electronics or the listening environment on the lower end and by the power and/or acoustical limits of the system on the upper end, so the dynamic range of the system as a whole is entirely dependent on volume. To achieve a playback dynamic range of 60dB requires a very quiet room (50 dBa or less) and a system peak output of 110dBa. To reach full symphonic levels of 120dBa requires 10X the power, and a speaker system capable of that level. For context a 2X8" tower speaker, pretty much regardless of manufacturer will have a maximum peak volume capability of around 112dBa. Thats around 150W with a speaker sensitivityof 90dB @ 1W/1M. A 5" standmount, like a KEF LS50, 104dBa, with a sensitivity of 84dBa and 100W maximum power handling. Working the other direction, a normal listening level of 85-90dBa might only require 1 watt of power, but the system will run into the listening room noise floor at 45-50dBa limiting the dynamic range to around 45dB. So dynamic range is quite dependent on volume. Don't worry that much, just happy listening. The only time you might worry is with very quiet passages in very low res files. You *might* be able to hear a difference in the fade out of a pop song. For anything more real world, it is inaudible. I'm afraid were going to have to disagree on you audibility claim. First, I'm way beyond 'worrying'. That said, truncated data is quite audible at normal listening levels between 80-90dBa. Second, your grasp on this topic is quite marginal.
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