DIY Speaker Kits, a good idea?


Looking at the high quality of drive units in DIY loudspeaker kits like from Madisound, GR Research, SEAS, etc., it easily looks like a sonic bargain.

However, the typical audiophile mantra is to demo for yourself to find what subjectively “resonates” with you.  Can’t do this with a kit.  But a kit could be a sonic jackpot for one on a tight budget.  Also seems fun to build.

What’s your opinion?

kennyc

@kennyc Buying Panzerholz in the UK is at the current times quite awkward, it id for the enthusiast wanting a stash like myself, to pick it up from a Supplier when in mainland Europe.

Permali EV6 which is a 50% Compression as a 25mm Finished Board is produced from 50 x delignified tiers of Veneer.

As a Cross Grain Structure this is equivalent to Panzerholz.

The Material that is being looked for is:                                                                                                 Resin Impregnated Densified Wood Board @ 1300 - 1400Kg / m3.

I have put links up to these products in the past, there are boards today that have Delignified Veneers of less that 1mm prior to compression 0.6-0.7mm.

As a Cross Grain Construction, these will have approx' 80 Plies to the 25mm Thickness and I class this increase in Plies as superior.

Increased channels for Damping / Dissipation which this materials type is known to be quite improved over many other materials, has potential to be improved over the 50 per 25mm.

I once had access to Damping / Dissipation Data for many materials, I even sent in to the guy producing the data, materials I had an Intertest in, that were not common in use in audio.   

Resin Impregnated Densified Wood Board is the killer material.

Heavily Compressed Bamboo 3xPly and Three Way Compressed @ 1100Kg per /m3 has received good reports and I have heard a Garrard 401 with it as the Plinth and that was quite special, especially as I have been an Idler Drive user for a larger period of years and used a 9 Stone Granite Plinth with my own 401.

  REZYWOOD - gefärbtes, stabilisiertes & hochverdichtetes Ahorn Holz | Designholz  

I have seen the measured data for other Phenolic, produced using Paper - Cotton, and D/D Properties were poor in comparison to Densified Wood.

I do recall Compressed Phenolics in general share smillar m/3 weights.

I've suspected that the dignified veneer material is the substance that assists with creating attractive intrinsic to the material D/D Properties. 

 

Yes the densified woods Permali, Jabroc, Panzerholz are very similar. I have used them all including Festholz. They machine very well but Festholz makes such beautiful parts.

Dial in your feed speed and approach at the correct rpm and you will not have to sand or debur your profile/edges cut when finished. 

This is true whether you have 3mm Pz or 100mm on the table. 

 

 

 

Additionally, Phenolic Plywood Board can be found at approx'900Kg /m3. 

I own a board of this material type. 

These and similar produced boards are not delignified or produced submerged in a high heat Phenolic within a Vacuum Chamber. 

Again other Treatments being used that separated a Resin Impregnated Densified Wood Board from other Board Types. 

@bdp24 

"@nogaps: I myself almost bought the GR Research Super V to build. Before that could happen I was introduced to the Eminent Technology LFT-8b, an open baffle/dipole planar-magnetic hybrid loudspeaker (p-m for 180Hz and up, an 8" dynamic woofer in a sealed enclosure for 180Hz down). I’ll provide a link to the review of the LFT-8b by Steve Guttenberg below."

 

DANG YOU!

I've been listening to a pair of LFT-8b's for a couple hours now. I picked them up this morning.  On a lark, after you mentioned them, I did a quick a search and I'll be darned if a pair of 2017 vintage LFT-8b's weren't for sale in my hometown, just 45 minutes from me.  Price (asking) was very reasonable. He had already sold off his power so I couldn't hear them, but..I took a flyer based on your comments and lots of research I did afterwards.  That's what happens when I have time on my hands.  Humping the Super V assemblies on and off the floor to the bench a few too many times (while building other parts) resulted in a rather sore back for a few days.  So, while resting,  I did some research and one thing lead to another. 

Anyway, I'm still finishing the Super Vs, but in the mean time I'm digging the LFTs, a lot. They have sand-filled Sound Anchor stands too.  I have been listening to a pair of Snell Type As for a number of years. They actually sound surprisingly close to the LFTs in a number of ways. Though the LFTs take things a few steps farther. Very nice speakers.  I'm driving them with a McCormack DNA-1, tube pre, Titan ACI sub, and a streamer. For the cost..these speakers are one of the best deals on the planet. They're lovely. Thx!