Sonically -Cardas the difference between the CLEAR Loudspeaker cable ,and CLEAR BEYOND


I got a very good deal on the Cardas Clear Beyond XLRs and they are very good , I feel the INTERCONNECT is more important if I had to make a choice between Loudspeaker cable and interconnect  coming from your sourse, Thst being said 

the Cardas clear beyond has 2 x as many conductors  a n 8 gauge vs 5 gauge 

has anyone ever compared the CLEAR  vs Clear BEYOND  Loudspeaker cable .

i can get the CLEAR for 60% off as a demo pair , how much better is the clear beyond  on the SPEAKER end since I have their  top clear beyond for the interconnects. Thanks much  in advance.

audioman58

@akg_ca 

Thanks again for the deep dive! I listen to Nordost cables frequently but I did not know their background in Aerospace and Defense. Maybe I picked the wrong cable manufacturer to pick on?!… lol. 
 

I know that well made and purpose built cables are expensive to make which is exactly why I’m dubious of ‘some’ of the brands making extraordinary claims because they do not have the wherewithal to do the R&D, testing and manufacturing. I am not including Cardas in my rant because I know they have been at this for a long time. 
 

Thanks again for the info. 

@boostedis 

a good read  on CARDAS …,I forgot to highlight their proprietary GOLDEN RATIO Litz cable design and construction .

“ ….Beyond the purity of their proprietary best-of-breed copper, Cardas employs the Golden Ratio (approximately 1:1.618) in the geometric stranding of their conductors. This principle, found throughout nature (like in the nautilus shell, which is Cardas's logo) and in harmonious artistic creations, is applied to the arrangement of individual Litz strands within the cable….

https://www.kronosav.com/blogs/news/kronos-av-welcomes-cardas-cables-a-deep-dive-into-their-legendary-copper-and-golden-ratio-design

I just wish ONE of these cable makers would have the balls to explain the engineering and scientific methodology they used to design their cables!!

@boostedis -your wish:  Iconoclast Cables design and technical papers

… when companies can’t explain their methodology behind product development, it says they really didn’t use one and the outcome was a stab in the dark….

Your logic doesn’t follow.

Audiophile cable companies spend considerable R&D time, effort, and resources, to create a unique product to sell to make profits.They typically do no reveal their secret sauce because others would use that free info to copy/create and become their competitors in our small niche market.

George Cardas has a method to the madness ,

he worked on long communications lines ,and they measured signal and audio reflections , this is where his  Nautilus  came in. Cardas has Sold $$Millions of dollars worth of cables over possibly 40 years 

he was one of the Litz wire vs stranded ,to avoid added noise and micro arching in wire which is absolute in truth ,then he uses -7-9- single crystal process

some of the best Stylus cartridges from Japan and other areas use his wire .

I have the Clear Beyond for interconnects ,and Clear for Loudspeakers .

it made a Substantial improvement  in my Audio System . I got great deals being show demo and a few scuffs on the jacket . I had several $5-6k interconnect speaker cable combos , this retail only 1 set of interconnects in my integrated Paythos Inpol  the realism is so much better ., as they say in audio ,no weak links left in the chain .   Iguess if I were a millionaire I would have much  better still .being semi retired I am good where I am at . My new Speakers which I heard  from Qualio audio with my Xover upgrades in just the mid tweeter capacitors .

my Focal Sopra2 speakers  use at best average parts quality the Qualio even without the New clarity Purity caps are very well balanced for the modders out there. I have helped in a couple Klipsch loudspeaker mods as well as Wilson .

audioman58

Your initial comment is not clear.  5 gauge cable is much "heftier" than 8 gauge and 8 gauge is already pretty adequate for most set-ups!!).  The lower the gauge number, the larger is the diameter of the wire.    Thicker cables generally have lower resistance, which can be beneficial for high-power and/or long-distance cable runs.