Sonically -Cardas the difference between the CLEAR Loudspeaker cable ,and CLEAR BEYOND


I got a very good deal on the Cardas Clear Beyond XLRs and they are very good , I feel the INTERCONNECT is more important if I had to make a choice between Loudspeaker cable and interconnect  coming from your sourse, Thst being said 

the Cardas clear beyond has 2 x as many conductors  a n 8 gauge vs 5 gauge 

has anyone ever compared the CLEAR  vs Clear BEYOND  Loudspeaker cable .

i can get the CLEAR for 60% off as a demo pair , how much better is the clear beyond  on the SPEAKER end since I have their  top clear beyond for the interconnects. Thanks much  in advance.

audioman58

@boostedis 

Doing a deep dive into NORDOST is going to be note difficult. NORDOST technology was originally  not starting out as audio cable company ,

Nordost’s roots were in the Military, Medical and Aerospace industries. It gives the company access to the most advanced materials technologies known to man.

as you read on, I don’t have the background to properly discuss or even decode the technical terms and patented processes they describe . 

Its first audio product, the Flatline Gold speaker cable introduced in 1992, is a perfect example of this, deriving technology originally used by NASA for their space shuttle program which resulted in a cable that was extremely durable with a geometry that offered impressively low capacitance and inductance while achieving very high signal speeds.
 

For more than three decades now, Nordost has continued to push the envelope of cable design and technology, in turn improving the performance of audio systems around the world using Nordost’s patented Micro Mono-Filament technology,

https://nordost.com/downloads/multiLanguage/odin_brochure_english.pdf

Ever since the launch of the first audio products in the early 1990s, Nordost has always insisted on the highest quality, extruded FEP for use in cables’ dielectric and jacketing.


FEP has many advantages; primarily, it is the most consistent and best performing dielectric material available, with the exception of air; which is where micro mono-filament technology comes in.

The micro mono-filament technology is a process developed by Nordost to reduce the effect of the insulation material. It uses a thread of FEP which is helically wound over each highly polished conductor. A precision FEP jacket is then extruded over the thread and the conductor. A number of proprietory methods are used in this difficult and extremely precise manufacturing technique.


Now that we understand the construction of a genuine Nordost cable, it’s simply not easy to make.  We can see that the counterfeit fake Chinese cables DO NOT have the technology and manufacturing technique, and it is very costly to duplicate the same construction. Therefore, the counterfeit inferior cable can only duplicate its appearance.

 

 

@akg_ca 

Thanks again for the deep dive! I listen to Nordost cables frequently but I did not know their background in Aerospace and Defense. Maybe I picked the wrong cable manufacturer to pick on?!… lol. 
 

I know that well made and purpose built cables are expensive to make which is exactly why I’m dubious of ‘some’ of the brands making extraordinary claims because they do not have the wherewithal to do the R&D, testing and manufacturing. I am not including Cardas in my rant because I know they have been at this for a long time. 
 

Thanks again for the info. 

@boostedis 

a good read  on CARDAS …,I forgot to highlight their proprietary GOLDEN RATIO Litz cable design and construction .

“ ….Beyond the purity of their proprietary best-of-breed copper, Cardas employs the Golden Ratio (approximately 1:1.618) in the geometric stranding of their conductors. This principle, found throughout nature (like in the nautilus shell, which is Cardas's logo) and in harmonious artistic creations, is applied to the arrangement of individual Litz strands within the cable….

https://www.kronosav.com/blogs/news/kronos-av-welcomes-cardas-cables-a-deep-dive-into-their-legendary-copper-and-golden-ratio-design

I just wish ONE of these cable makers would have the balls to explain the engineering and scientific methodology they used to design their cables!!

@boostedis -your wish:  Iconoclast Cables design and technical papers

… when companies can’t explain their methodology behind product development, it says they really didn’t use one and the outcome was a stab in the dark….

Your logic doesn’t follow.

Audiophile cable companies spend considerable R&D time, effort, and resources, to create a unique product to sell to make profits.They typically do no reveal their secret sauce because others would use that free info to copy/create and become their competitors in our small niche market.

George Cardas has a method to the madness ,

he worked on long communications lines ,and they measured signal and audio reflections , this is where his  Nautilus  came in. Cardas has Sold $$Millions of dollars worth of cables over possibly 40 years 

he was one of the Litz wire vs stranded ,to avoid added noise and micro arching in wire which is absolute in truth ,then he uses -7-9- single crystal process

some of the best Stylus cartridges from Japan and other areas use his wire .

I have the Clear Beyond for interconnects ,and Clear for Loudspeakers .

it made a Substantial improvement  in my Audio System . I got great deals being show demo and a few scuffs on the jacket . I had several $5-6k interconnect speaker cable combos , this retail only 1 set of interconnects in my integrated Paythos Inpol  the realism is so much better ., as they say in audio ,no weak links left in the chain .   Iguess if I were a millionaire I would have much  better still .being semi retired I am good where I am at . My new Speakers which I heard  from Qualio audio with my Xover upgrades in just the mid tweeter capacitors .

my Focal Sopra2 speakers  use at best average parts quality the Qualio even without the New clarity Purity caps are very well balanced for the modders out there. I have helped in a couple Klipsch loudspeaker mods as well as Wilson .