Is there any such thing as a bad sounding DAC these days?


I think the problem of DAC for quality audio has been pretty much universally solved.  Not to say all DACs are equal, they aren’t, but do any that really matter these days not sound “good”?

mapman

@curiousjim

I wish you luck!

@jmrrobbie1 

No but there are some reviews on youtube. If I recall, the highs are reputedly somewhat "lively". As soon as I saw that, I crossed it off my list.  Not to say you wouldn't like it. FYI, Listen Up!  is a Hegel dealer and they've offered returns on new Hegel gear in the past. 

@chervokas 

Absolutely fascinating!!  Any penny that bright can get thrown on the tracks can't happen often enough.  Do you mind sharing your background to have that knowledge?

Absolutely fascinating!!  Any penny that bright can get thrown on the tracks can't happen often enough.  Do you mind sharing your background to have that knowledge?

I'm just a guy who is really interested in how stuff works, and that includes the science of perception. You know, we live in this hobby with this objectivist/subjectivist battle sort of bequeathed to us 60 years ago by J. Gordon Holt and Julian Hirsch et al., but our ability to measure sound, and especially our understanding of the science of perception have changed so much in 60 years, it's kind of mooted that whole divide for me.  I read Daniel Levitan's book This Is Your Brain on Music when it was published in 2007, but I really didn't start reading in the science of hearing and psychoacoustics until after watching an episode of Nova called Perception Deception, and realizing how far the science had come and how little I knew about it (in fact, when they teach the general basics of how hearing works to people, it's so oversimplified that most of us, and certainly I previously, have a faulty understanding of it).  

I've also been a musician for most of my 61 years and done a bunch of audio production work, so I knew how to make sounds, yet it seemed like I understood very little of the "last mile" of sound -- hearing and auditory perception.  So, I've just been learning it a little bit, through reading Brian Moore's classic primer, An Introduction to the Psychology of Hearing, through reading some of the work of and listening to lectures by the likes of Stephen McAdams, Nina Kraus, Susan Rogers.  I'm just barely a beginner in the subject, but I've learned enough already to realize there are a lot of common misconceptions and widely held partial understandings. 

@jmrrobbie1 

I have a Hegel H390.  As an integrated amp, it’s top notch, but like several other brands, they feel obligated to include an okay DAC and an almost useless streamer.  I’m sure their new DAC is wonderful, but I for one would feel better about buying one if I didn’t already have something built in to the H390.  For the same price range, Hegel is up against a bunch of other DAC’s!

Audiogoners have become more civilized. Regarding the sound quality of the Benchmark DAC3, I recall making no negative comments myself. I simply referenced GoldenSound’s review, which also made no negative comments—just described it as ’fine.’ Let’s be honest, ’fine’ simply means ’not great’ but still ’good.’

Oh my god, you wouldn’t believe how much backlash I received from forum members who like the DAC.

But now, look at the numerous negative comments describing the Dac ’bad’ from so many people here—yet there’s no pushback from those who own / like the Dac.

The only explanation I can think of is that Audiogoners have become more civilized. But what caused such a cultural shift in such a short time? Very interesting. Honestly, I don’t believe that’s the case, and I think those who attacked me owe me a sincere apology.