New TT : Balanced vs. Unbalanced Connection?


I am in a six-month process of assembling a system will last me for the next 5-10 years. I’m set on the components, so please do not try to talk me out of my selections. My question here is a technical one.

I have purchased a Thorens TD–1601 and a Nagaoka MP–200 cartridge. I am trying to decide on the Integrated amp between Yamaha’s A-S3200 and A-S2200. The key difference for this question being the A-S3200 has two balanced inputs and the A-S2200 has one. I will use the first balanced connection to connect a recently purchased HiFi Rose RS-150b Streamer/DAC.

Now to my real question. The semi-automatic Thorens TD-1601 has both balanced and unbalanced outputs. I am considering buying a Schitt Skoll phono pre which has balanced in-and-out. In that case, I would buy the Yamaha A-S3200, needing two balanced inputs.

So, ASSUMING the phono preamp on the Yamaha A-S2200 is comparable to the Schitt Skoll, will I get markedly better sound by going fully unbalanced, with the Skoll and the much more expensive A-S3200, or unbalanced direct from Thorens TT into the highly regarded phone pre of the A-S2200?

What benefits will I get by going balanced? How much benefit? It is worth the complexity, extra box, cables, $2,000-3,000? I can afford it if much better, but don’t want to spend money unnecessarily. The TT and the integrated will be right next to each other, so distance is not a factor. Or is the A-S3200 that much better? …I like the BIGGER meters.

My current speakers are Paradigm Reference Studio 40 v2, which I love and have two pair, a super sleeper. They are not likely to be changed…one day Fyne Audio.

To reiterate, this is a technical question about the merits of balanced turntable connections. Thanks for the input. I have learned much from this forum over the last few years.

 

gemoody

What balanced gets you, mostly, with phono is a few db of gain. So if you had a very low output cartridge you might find some benefit in going balanced. Also, if you're cable run was very long, like more than 12 or 15 ft you may find significant benefit. Otherwise there's very little. I run a fairly high end analog source and it's all single ended. Look at so much of the super high end Japanese stuff too like shindo. It's all single ended. There will be lots of controversy and disagreement here but my experience is no need for balanced. 

I say, residential, short runs: no advantage, 

I do like that XLR connectors lock in place, but I changed to locking rca's to solve that.

extra gain: I did get a SMALL amount of gain out of my Sony xa5400 CD player's XLR compared to it's rca out, but certainly not enough to matter. No audible difference.

typically, like a DAC, wiser to keep phono stage separate for potential change.

In my case my vintage McIntosh mx110z tube tuner/preamp has a wonderful sounding MM phono eq built in (two inputs). I run my tonearms thru a SUT to the mx110z's MM input. I never think about changing to something else. If it blew up, I would get another without bothering to compare. Friends bring their phono stages here to compare with it. My office, for simplicity, I use the built-in MM/MC in my little Luxman, sounds darn good but never compared it to the mx110z.

Features:

you mentioned bigger meters. They will be fun for a week or two, then they might be bothersome, make sure you can turn their lights off or out of circuit.

check the hidden features, you need to read the manual to find things they don't tell you about, like remote balance .... and, check the buttons on the remotes. Many high end makers don't even show the remote. My Cayin remote is solid aluminum, very nice to look and feel/use, much preferred to boring plastic remote, you use them every time you listen. 

I've never run into a home situation where line level XLR reduced noise... but I have been in some shows in hotels where noise pickup was almosts unavoidable with RCA. 

Due to the low signal level and high gain needed by cartridges I would not be surprised if things were different, not to mention the number of ground loop issues I've experienced/seen on turntables which vanish using balanced inputs.

Want to be clear that the balanced line level connections are not the same electrically as for a phono stage, so I would assess XLR noise issues differently for a turntable as for, say a CD player.

I use balanced everywhere in my system except from TT to phono preamp since the VPI Classic 1 and PS Audio Stellar do not offer it. I do notice a bit higher gain with balanced connections so it would make sense that it may be helpful with extremely low output mc cartridges. However my Lyra Kleos at 0.5 mV does not qualify. In fact it sounds better on the Stellar low gain setting than the recommended medium one, hence balanced may be a detriment in my specific setup. 

Baylinor, The VPI Classic being a tt certainly has nothing to do with the balanced vs SE distinction. So I assume you mean to say that the VPI tonearm is not wired for a balanced connection. But I’d guess it most certainly is. It probably offers separate hot and ground for each channel in SE mode, plus a ground wire probably attached to the tonearm body, 5 wires in total. All you would have to do is remove the RCA plugs, and replace them with XLRs, where hot goes to pin2 on the XLR, ground (now negative phase) goes to pin3, and the ground wire to pin1. but yes, you would also need a balanced phono stage. The PS Audio Stellar is by reputation so good that maybe you need not bother. And it does have balanced outputs.