Analyzing DACs


As I am new to the hifi hobby, reading various product reviews and noting the details of the test environment have made me very confused.  I understand Stereophile is the hifi bible. In the publication’s DAC published tests the reviewers almost always tested the DAC connected directly to the amplifier. I think I understand why—nothing in the chain influencing the DAC sound. Is that the correct assumption? If that’s the case why incorporate a preamp if the DAC has a preamp section that is a common feature even on high end DACs? I’m in the market for a new DAC. I’m trying to avoid unnecessary components if possible. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.  

tee_dee

This thread is getting sidetracked a bit but thought I'd put my 2 cents worth in.

The reliance on measurements is as old as this hobby. Back in the 1960's Julian Hirsch was editor of THE major Hifi magazine at the time, Stereo Review and he was one of the first to promote the concept that measurements are most everything. He was an electrical engineer and that's what they do, they measure things.  

Anyone who has been in the hobby a long time has experienced gear that measured well but didn't sound great.  "Everything that can be measured can be heard but not everything that can be heard can be measured"

Now back to the OPs post. Different DACs have different output stages and implementations and will mate with different amps for better or worse. In one system I have a DAC that sounds very good direct into the power amp but to my ears sounds improved with a preamp, yet in my second system the same DAC not drive the power amps nearly as well and a preamp was definitely needed. A modern well made preamp will be transparent to the source but can add weight, drive and dynamics to a system.

I assume you have no preamp, just a power amp... and your system sounds good to you, then likely you can get by without a preamp, assuming the new DAC has similar output voltage. The gains you hear with a better DAC should be easy to hear. Then if you wants, buy a decent preamp on the used market and see for yourself, in your own environment, if its' a benefit. It's the only way you will know. If you find it adds nothing, you can easily sell it for what you paid. If you are building a new system, then getting an integrated amp does make sense as was previously posted.

In the publication’s DAC published tests the reviewers almost always tested the DAC connected directly to the amplifier. I think I understand why—nothing in the chain influencing the DAC sound. Is that the correct assumption?

No.  It’s very system dependent, but in my experience most systems benefit from a good preamp.  A lot of amps just need the added boost from a dedicated preamp to be driven optimally, so that will be of particular importance to pay attention to.  

Lot of hate here for Amir and ASR! Measurements do matter! More so than "golden ears" listening because human hearing is easily fooled! Trying to have a discussion here with subjectivists is like Galileo confronting the Inquisition! 

As an example in an A/B listening test of two preamps, amps, CD players ... the component that has an output level 0.2db higher will always sound "better" - more exciting, more lively, more engaging! All due to a simple level difference! Yet most audiophiles are ignorant of this psychoacoustic fact! 

@jasonbourne52 

Anyone who has done research on ASR will tell you the back story. I don't believe it it is personal for audio enthusiasts, but it is definitely personal for manufacturers of otherwise good audio gear. Him reviewing a product unfavorably can directly impact sales. That is bread and butter for the companies...their employees, electronics engineers, and founder etc. That hurts.

If you want to know all the research and info I have about ASR, send me a message.