Slight buzz through speakers


Hello All,

I posted this in Amp/Preamp section as well;

Need some serious help here. So I just (upgraded?) from a Marantz AV8802A to a McIntosh MX122 preamp. I also just got brand new Revel Performa3 speaks all around (5 channel setup). I disconnect everything from the Marantz and then into the McIntosh, connect the speaks and I have a faint buzzing through all 5 speakers (that was not there previously). I have everything plugged into a Furman Elite 20pfi power conditioner which is plugged into a dedicated 20 amp circuit. My power amp is a Simaudio Titan HT200 5 channel. This is not going through the Furman but directly into the other outlet on the same 20 amp line. I even tried plugging the Sim amp into the Furman to see if that helped-no change faint buzz is still there. I have unplugged just about everything, and the buzz is still there. It is very faint and does not get louder when I turn up the volume. Again it is faint and you have to put your ear up to the speaks to hear but it is definitely there. I have tried so many things and nothing gets rid of it. It is not my cable box (I did have that issue previously with the Marantz but as soon as I unplugged the coax from the box it went away so I just bought a coax loop eliminator connected the cable to that and noise was all gone) as I unplugged that and started there.

 

I am getting the buzz through all 5 speakers.

 

Any help would be so sincerely appreciated????

kingbr

Hi @spatialking thanks for replying. So I have my McIntosh preamp plugged into my Furman Elite 20PFi power conditioner (along with everything else except the Sim amp). I have my Simaudio amp plugged directly into the same wall outlet as the Furman Elite. It is a dedicated 20 amp line. So on that dedicated 20 amp line the Furman is plugged into the bottom receptacle and the Sim amp is plugged into the top receptacle. Both the Sim amp and the Mac pre have 3 prong plugs-the Sim is a C19 20 amp power cord. 

Just this morning I tried unplugging the McIntosh from the Furman and then plugging it directly into a different wall outlet altogether. No change buzz still there.I also removed all of my Transparent Plus XLR IC's from the McIntosh to the Sim amp (McIntosh still plugged into the Furman at this point). I completely removed the XLR IC's. So the only thing connected to the Sim amp was the speaker cables. And no buzz. This confirmed the buzz wasn't coming from the Sim amp (and I never had this buzz before so I knew it wasn't the Sim amp).

 

Just this morning I also unplugged every component 1 at a time from the Furman. Buzz still there so the buzz isn't coming from any other component so it has to be the McIntosh preamp, right? 

 

I have never plugged to Mac into the amp directly, not even possible.

 

Thank you for the suggestion of the cheater (many others have suggested this-I will try that). I will check out the Jensen piece you reference. I also ordered the Hum-X which will arrive tomorrow and I'm really hoping plugging the Mac into the Hum-X and then connecting to either a different wall outlet or the Furman-I'll try both and see if either works.

Again the buzz/hum is very faint and can only be heard without anything playing and putting my ear within a couple inches of the tweeters, But it was never there before and changing volume does not change the buzz it remains low (thankfully) and certainly not at all audible from the listening position...

While I applaud all your efforts and certainly sympathize, the best/easiest thing to do at this point is to call Mac and see what they suggest.  I personally am not a fan of Mac products — just not my taste — but they’re a quality company and expect they have good customer support and care about having happy customers.  Best of luck!

Based on what you said, I believe the Mac is instrumental in the problem, but not exactly the source.  This sort of problem is cumulative and system dependent, so it is more of a system problem than a particular component.  

In general, plugging a component into a separate outlet will usually make things worse, not better.   This is especially true if the other outlet is on the other leg of your distribution box. 

You are on the right track, you do want to eliminate that buzz, as it will muddy the sound significantly.  I am not sure the Hum-X will do the job you need but it won't hurt to try.  Do note it is only rated for 6A, that may have an impact on your system. 

Post your results here, I will follow up.

@soix thank you. I have contacted Mac for other questions before I bought the MX122 and their tech support was always available. I’ll give that a shot certainly. Ya Mac from what I’ve seen/heard/read isn’t for everyone (just like every other component maker out there huh?)…thanks for the well wishes👍🏻!

 

@spatialking thank you so very much again for taking the time and interest to help…I will certainly post here what happens once I get the Hum-X. Someone in the preamp-amp forum where I also posted this, said he had the exact same problem and the Hum-X fixed it. I had already been familiar with it and pulled the trigger right then and there after reading that reply. If it doesn’t work I can return it no harm. At $81.00 why not-I’m ready to pay 10x that if there’s a solution! And thanks for the support-nice to know I’m on the right track😊

 

The hard part to swallow (even though many have said since it’s not audible at the listening position and it’s on the quieter side no problem to live with it as so many do) it wasn’t there with my previous Marantz AV8802A preamp (which I still have, not sold yet). I know the Mac is in another class than the Marantz which is why I wanted to get my hands on it. So hard to wrap my brain around living with it at this point…

You have a cable box. What company do use for cable service? I have found that conventional cable causes RFI hum that is impossible to eliminate. There are two ways to fix this problem:

1) Hire a service that uses light to conduct the signal, like Verizon FIOS. The FIOS signal is clean because it is carried by light up to your home. Light signals do not cause RFI. Once it reaches your home, the light signal is converted and runs through CAT 5 cable. This short run does not result in RFI. When I switched to Verizon FIOS many years ago, I was shocked when the faint hum was completely eliminated.

2) Another option: Get rid of cable service and use exclusively streaming for content. This will eliminate cable RFI as long as you don’t hook any of your equipment to conventional cable.

3) I have found that the expensive,’high end’ fancy looking power line and cable filters are totally useless. The best way to clean up your power line is to hire a master electrician to install dedicated lines for your audio/video system. You might be surprised to find it is not significantly more expensive than the useless high end filters that are marketed today. This is a permanent simple solution that won’t break down, become out-dated, does not require updates and does not take up rack space or floor space.

4) Hum can also be caused by poor, loose connections and/or old, frayed cables. But, in my experienced, I have found the the cable source was always the worse offender for hum, interference, RFI.

5) In conclusion, I bet most of the hum is from cable, not the power lines. Here is a simple test: disconnect cable from all of your equipment. If the hum disappears, you have identified the culprit.

6) One last thought: The hum may be due to a noisy transformer in the new McIntosh. If that is the case, that is the way they are made, unfortunately. If you feel the sound/performance is not significantly better that the Marantz, return it and get your money back.

6) GOOD LUCK! Let me know if this works!