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Every day I see another turntable recommendation...

After digging into this topic, I am convinced now I need to go a bit higher on this first vinyl set up. I think all in, I am prepared at this point to go up to $5k, for the table alone, not including arm or cartridge.

But frankly, being on this forum is like drinking from an information firehose. I have learned a bunch and yet somehow, I am less convicted than before.

With that in mind, to narrow down the decision, I am want to restrict myself to things I can buy, hear and, if necessary, service locally. My local dealers stock, AMG, AVM, Basis, Clearaudio, Michell, Musichall, Pro-ject, Rega, VPI, so I am likely restricted to those brands. I am certain my view will change by the end of this thread.

saulh
cleeds
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mijostyn

Having owned two Linns I can certify that the AR XA is more stable than the Linn. The Linn is not tricky to set up at all.

That you think the Linn turntable isn't tricky to set up - especially given that you're talking about its older models - certainly explains why you also claim "they have to be the poorest suspended turntables made." Because, if improperly set up, that's exactly what they can sound like.

Obviously seismology is not your subject. Earthquakes are not happening on a continuous basis but they are happening all the time. Most of them so mild you do not feel them.

As usual, you double-down on your science fantasies. That's why I included the link to NASA in response to you because earthquakes are not "happening all the time." If you disagree, take the issue up with NASA. Here's the link again for you - you might want to read it since you claim expertise in seismology. Here's how it starts:

What Is an Earthquake?

An earthquake is an intense shaking of Earth’s surface.

Many audiophiles tap around their turntables to determine the level of isolation.

Of course. It's a good test.

Is a hammer excessive? Not if you want a turntable that is totally immune to everything.

You don't need to hammer your turntable to make it immune. There's no cause and effect there at all. But it's a cool parlor trick. VPI's Harry Weisfeld has done it and he wasn't the first.

What's especially odd about your claims about constant earthquakes and delight in hammering your turntable is that you've previously insisted that any system with true LF performance (around 20 hZ or so) will require a rumble filter, including yours. So you obviously have some LF issues there that I hope you can resolve, because they aren't caused by constant earthquakes.

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pindac
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I know that individuals who attach materials to measuring devices to check for Damping and Dissipation properties, will usually use a hammer to tap a suspended material or drop a steel ball from a pre determined height on to the material under test.

Is it possible the hammer seen to be more scientific as used in the above methods.

When using the hammer as a instrument for striking and using it in conjunction with the stylus resting on the LP?, would this be considered the best method to detect audible sound being generated through vibration, especially when striking the local structures with a a steel material.

It would be good to know why the hammer is seen to be so important for the test in place of a knuckle wrap which is quite a common method.  

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slaw
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In my experience of trying different materials to tame resonance, I have become a big fan of springs. I've put much time and money into it.

cleeds
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slaw

In my experience of trying different materials to tame resonance, I have become a big fan of springs.

Same here. I can't imagine trying to get good LF performance with an unsuspended turntable. The SOTA that @mijostyn uses has one of the best, imo.

There are active isolation platforms that you can use under an unsuspended turntable, but that seems a bit too Rube Goldberg-ish to me.

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pindac
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There are seismic recording stations throughout the world, and like most sciences, the monitoring of the effects of the COVID 19 Pandemic on the world was a running live commentary for all with a scientific interest.

This Pandemic has been unique in this area, as science was interacting with the Virus daily, and learning from the experiences like no other Pandemic has allowed to happen.

Seismology is no different and it has made the data collected put to use, to see how the changes being witnessed in the readings of Seismic Noise were resulting from the changes made from Human Activities.

Seismic Noise is a unwanted recorded information, in that it is not from seismic activity, but environmental activity.

The impact of the Weather Systems on Land and in the Oceans remained consistent and maintained producing a Microseism with the average reading of 1Hz recorded for the Seismic Noise.

Human Activity can produce 1Hz - 40hz and the average levels of Anthropogenic Noise produced during the lock down was 4Hz, the data shows as the Human Activities were reduced over the period of time and larger proportions of the populations were put into lockdown the Anthropogenic Noise dropped along with the reduced activities.

The above although recorded on a seismic recording device are tremors and not seismic activity.

Seismic Activity is from Earthquakes and Tectonic Plate Activity, as well as magma moving within the earths crust.

Seismic Activity that is being recorded with levels detectable above Higher Anthropogenic Seismic Noise levels, when present local to an environment with a TT in use, will most likely cause a Needle to skip a groove or two as the minimum, but this does depend on the bedrock in the area as well, as the make up of this can reduce the impact felt on the surface from the transferred energies.

What ever way it is thought about, the golden times of listening to a music replay on a TT, with the least seismic noise creating a welcome impact, came to an end, when the Lockdowns were lifted.

I hope all our forums Vinyl Loving Friends got a few extra hours with their set ups when free time was plentiful.

 

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