Law of Accelerated Returns


I think back over the many decades of pursuing high end audio and I realize some of the most inspirational were listening to state of the art systems. Systems I could never dream of affording. I occasionally would get up early and drive the two hours to Phoenix in hopes of finding no one listening to the state of the art system in “the big room” at one of the four or five high end audio stores there in the early ‘90’s.

One such time I was able to spend over an hour with the most amazing system I have ever heard: Wilson WAAM BAMM (or something like that… all Rowland electronics, Transparent interconnects). The system cost about over $.5 million… now, over a million… although I am sure it is even better (I can’t imagine how)..

 

But listening to that system was so mind blowing… so much better than anything I could conceive of, it just completely changed my expectation of what a system could be. It was orders of magnitude better than anything I had heard.

 

Interestingly, as impressed as I was… I did not want “that” sound, as much as I appreciated it. It still expanded my horizon as to what is possible. That is really important, as it is really easy to make judgments on what you have heard and not realize the possibilities… like never having left the small town in Kansas (no offense).

I keep reading these posts about diminishing returns. That isn’t the way it works. I recently read an article by Robert Harley in The Absolute Sound called the Law of Accelerated Returns that captures the concept perfectly. March 2022 issue. The possibilities in high end audio is incredible. Everyone interested in it in any way deserves to hear what is possible. It is mind expanding. 

 

 

ghdprentice

Excluding time and effort and focusing on MSRP within model ranges, the least expensive is most commonly the worst value, ime. I actually hate to get to generalized about these things but believe law of diminishing or accelerating returns are both moderate views. The weird part is snobbery in audio (of all things) or the anti-elite culture warriors mocking others trying to take their system up a notch.

The law of diminishing return in engineering is so evident!

In acoustic optimization  we exceed almost any gear upgrade, if we already start with relatively basic good design...

People really think that the sound come from the gear...

They dont have a clue about acoustic...

Price tag is more idolatry than bigger S.Q. ...Diminshing return enter the scene very rapidly...

It is the reseon why some one million bucks system may sound relatively annoying or even bad to some ears...

Acoustic and psycho-acoustic are the key...

Price tag is for consumers....

I am not one now thanks to acoustic...

While acoustics are important, a real instrument no matter what acoustic environment it is played in, is easily identifiable as a real instrument. Acoustics can’t create dynamics, timbre, leading edge, inner detail, bandwidth or fidelity. 

A talented musician I know plays a very crappy acoustic guitar they painted on.  It doesn’t matter where she plays it, it’s a tinny, brittle sounding instrument.  
 


 

 

 

 

While acoustics are important, a real instrument no matter what acoustic environment it is played in, is easily identifiable as a real instrument. Acoustics can’t create dynamics, timbre, leading edge, inner detail, bandwidth or fidelity.

A talented musician I know plays a very crappy acoustic guitar they painted on. It doesn’t matter where she plays it, it’s a tinny, brittle sounding instrument.

100% this, again. 

first part is right...

The natural sound of an instrument is there nevermind the room...in any room an instrument have a dynamic, a timbre a color, RELATIVELY different and linked to the location of the listener and to the geometry, topology and acoustical content of the room.......

While acoustics are important, a real instrument no matter what acoustic environment it is played in, is easily identifiable as a real instrument.

But sorry, the second part is meaningless... it is acoustic properties of the system/ room that give to the sound, dynamic more or less, and timbre more or less and all other acoustical experience factors...This is science and called psycho-acoustic science and physical acoustic science...

it is the reason why it matter the most to adapt the system and the room acoustically... A guitar will not sound the same in a bad or in a good room...Same thing is true for an audio system and way more huge...An audio system will tremendously change his character  in a room which is optimally controlled acoustically and in a bad room .... It is EVIDENT fact...

Acoustics can’t create dynamics, timbre, leading edge, inner detail, bandwidth or fidelity.

the last part of your post means nothing , it is a common place fact: a good musician can play on a bad piano and make it less worst so what?

i think you dont have a clue about acoustic and his relation to psycho-acoustic power sorry....You are not alone...

Most people think they listen to their dac or speakers or amplifier not knoweing how the room affect hugely what they hear......