Peeking inside a Carver Crimson 275 Tube Amplifier


So, I just had to pop the hood on the Carver Crimson 275 tube amplifier. I was so curious as to how this little guy weighs so little and sounds so lovely.

  • The layout is simple and clean looking. Unlike the larger monoblocks (that cost $10k), this model uses a PCB.
  • The DC restorer circuit is nicely off to one side and out of the way. It doesn’t look all that complicated but I’m no electrical engineer. Why don’t more designers use this feature? It allows the power tubes to idle around 9.75w. Amazingly efficient.
  • The amp has very good planned out ventilation and spacing. No parts are on top of each other.
  • Most of the parts quality is good. There’s a host of Dale resistors, what look like Takmans, nice RCA jacks, heavy teflon hookup wire, and so on.
  • Some of the parts quality is questionable. There’s some cheap Suntan (Hong Kong mfr.) film caps coupled to the power tubes and some no name caps linked to the gain signal tubes. I was not happy to see those, but I very much understand building stuff to a price point.
Overall, this is a very tidy build and construction by the Wyred4Sound plant in California is A grade. I’m wondering a few things.

Does the sound quality of this amp bear a relationship to the fact that there’s not too much going on in the unit? There are very few caps--from what this humble hobbyist can tell--in the signal chain. And, none of these caps are even what many would consider decent quality--i.e. they aren’t WIMA level, just generic. This amplifier beat out a PrimaLuna Dialogue HP (in my room/to my ears...much love for what PrimaLuna does). When I explored the innards of the PrimaLuna, it was cramped, busy and had so much going on--a way more complicated design.

Is it possible that Bob Carver, who many regard as a wily electronics expert, is able to truly tweak the sound by adding a resistor here or there, etc.? Surely all designers are doing this, but is he just really adroit at this? I wonder this because while some parts quality is very good to excellent, I was shocked to see the Suntan caps. They might be cheaper than some of the Dale resistors in the unit. I should note that Carver reportedly designed this amp and others similar with Tim de Paravicini--no slouch indeed!

I have described the sound of this amp as delicious. It’s that musical and good. But, as our esteemed member jjss [ @jjss ] pointed out in his review, he wondered if the sound quality could be improved further still. He detected a tiny amount of sheen here and there [I cannot recall his exact words.] even though he loved it like I do.

I may extract the two .22uF caps that look to be dealing with signal related to the 12at7 gain tubes and do a quick listening test.
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the amp weighs 19.4 lbs by my scale, with no ac cord attached, tubes in place

here is the asr thread, ralph, it is long, jim clark responds on pg 6, and the conversation ensues from there, with photos from carverfest where kits were distributed

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/carver-crimson-275-measurements.29271/

doesn't explain the magic of a 20 lb amp making 75 wpc, but there is the info

Ralph!  Always great to hear from you. I've learned much from you over the years and, from what I can tell from due diligence, you have yet to steer me wrong. 

As far as the little birdie, I contacted Frank Malitz by email letting him know folks were really hitting him and the company hard with questions (some very viable and meritorious) and accusations (some legal, etc.).  For full disclaimer, I do not work for Frank, Bob Carver, or have any affiliation with any of them. Yet I do know Frank "virtually" so to speak. I'm just as curious as anyone on this subject. 

Mine weighs 21 lbs, likely from the numerous caps I put in that dwarf the original Suntan el cheapo caps.  

I do have efficient speakers so I'm not a good gauge of how powerful it is.  It does sound great. 

Ralph, it may be time for me to buy your S30!  It seems like it would be a match in heaven for Cornwall IVs. 

Oh, Ralph, I'll think about opening it up again.  I'd have to remove all the guts to get to the trannies.  Not something I'm keen on doing, but I could....

Rather than take it apart it’s not that difficult to test power, distortion and bandwidth… maybe it makes 75 wpc at 1-2 kHz w 5% THD

like most 300 b amps ( this is a joke… calm down )

phase error tells about bandwidth 

But…  my 40 wpc 1961 MC240 w 6L6 has some of the highest bandwidth transformer Mac ever made and it weighs a beefy 50 lbs , my Roger Modjeski ( RIP ) RM.9 puts out 100 wpc at 62#, so I remain highly doubtful of the Crimson claim…

Jim

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