Next best exponential DAC quality level?


I recently did a shoot out of three DACs using my Hint6 + routing each of the other DACs to analog input on the Hint6:

(1) Hint6: ESS Sabre32 -- Integrated 

(2) SMSL M500: ES9038PRO D/A   ~$400 

(3) Khadas ToneBoard(v1): ESS ES9038Q2M - ~$99

I played the same song passages on Amazon Music and was able to cycle through each Hint6 input corresponding to each DAC.

The result?  Very small difference in terms of rendering.  Maybe a more open sound stage with better overall balance using the Hint6 DAC.  The Khadas was more bass / midrange pronounced w/ a more narrow soundstage.  However, I wouldn't suggest that any were head-and-shoulders "better" over the others.  In fact, they were all pretty decent with only small nuances (certainly not worth the price differences.   

I decided to keep the Khadas for my small headphone listening area. 

But it got me thinking - how much would one have to spend to realize an exponential difference in quality?  Is the Khadas that good, or is DAC technology differences more nuanced than I originally thought (meaning, we're paying 10x for only 5% better).  

 

128x128martinman

@martinman:

"I think the best way to sum up this thread is ...  you can get a lot of DAC for very little $$$". 

 

I'd suggest that depends upon what you like and more to the point, what you've heard.

A 2K DAC may sound incredible compared to a $300 DAC but less so when  compared to a $10K DAC. 

david_ten

You need to define it for yourself.

Hint: it's not the DAC.

The cost for achieving state of the art sound, however, is high for both (at this point in time).

 

 

I will repeat using different words. In a clear, concise, easily understood, and repeatable, i.e. I can easily say something is state of the art or not, what defines a digital playback system that is "state of the art".

 

 

@martinman:

"I think the best way to sum up this thread is ...  you can get a lot of DAC for very little $$$". 

 

I'd suggest that depends upon what you like and more to the point, what you've heard.

A 2K DAC may sound incredible compared to a $300 DAC but less so when  compared to a $10K DAC. 

 

I have heard $500 DACs that arguably sounded much better than $10K DACs, and I have heard $10K DACS that sound virtually the same as $1500-2000 DACs.  It does not take a lot of money to make a DAC that properly recreates an analog waveform. Above a relatively small amount of money, it is purely specmanship and not audible differences.  However, if you choose to make a DAC that does not accurately recreate the waveform, something that a lot of expensive DACs intentionally do, then there really is no price/performance curve as it is all personal preference. However, human nature is to assign a higher quality to something purely on price.

 

 

 

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