Classical Music for Aficionados

jim204674 posts10-08-2021 8:40amI think Western Classical music is falling in on itself and being dumbed down day by day. Every time I hear New Music I despair, Discordant, single lines with no harmony attached, written from a keyboard attached to a computer and then it goes through the Sibelius program to sort out themes and harmony then. The whole thing is bereft of any soul and then has to be played by orchestras who hate every note but who won't get funding if they don't play it.

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Hard for me to follow up on this  bullseye comment.

It never occured to me, to investigate other 21st C composers, , not after my discovery of 
Pettersson, Schnittke, Elliott Carter and last but not least  Hans Henze.

What all began with Correli, Vivaldi, Bach , has, like all good and great things, now have come to its finale.
What a  genre of  muisc. From Bach to Mozart (can I skip over my least fav composer Beethoven, when in fact I HATE all his **music * with a  passion,,)
Then on to Puccini, Wagner, Debussy many others, and the finale to this magnificient art form, with the 4 previous mentioned composers. 
But I must say, what a  finale, what a  fireworks show at the end.
If Correli , Vivaldi and Bach could could hear what musical works, that Schnittke, Pettersson, Henze and Carter has accomplished, they  would be in shock of when they began and  to where  these 4 giants have ended this art form.


Modern day composers, what is their inspiration??
This i would have to know.
Undoubtable , what they find as motivations to score, is nothing I am in the least bit interested. So like yeah, outside those 4 finalers of the tradition, , I have no interest in anything *modern*.
No thanks.

History of music is like history of philosophy and like any other cultural histories a reflection about consciousness and his own evolution and history...

Then the history of music like other histories mirror the heart and souls of the times we lives through, nothing less and nothing more.....

Then the painting, the music and all other traditional esthetical practice became nowadays more "technical reflections" of the overpowrering and idolatry of technology ...

Now, where on the world scene transhumanism, define, resume and incarnate the tragedy of our times; Art itself became a dying "human" activity which has been replaced by a more powerful craft, soon itself to be play by a Non-Human intelligence....

Human art is merely becoming the dust beside the emerging new magical craft.....


When all this is said.....

I strongly oppose to someone who would claim that ALL contemporary artists are degenerate, or meaningless...

Even in our epoch there is giants in art....But they are buried under the mass of con-artists or by the mass of good artisans who seek the hype and the idols of our times.....These great contemporary artists are not well known save very few of them and for very few "amateurs"...

A living interval of times is an Aeon...Each Aeon is able to recognize only what is dear to his heart, like all living entities....Our Aeon promote what is in his heart: the idolatry of technology and his "magical" craft....

he Minnesota IS the best Sibelius in the world .
Of course they have the best Finnish conductor in the world .

One thing will still be here , as this is the ground zero for Choral Music.
As it is also ground zero for the Lutheran brand of Christianity , count on it

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Skrowaczewski was the only great conductor the Minnesota orch ever had  on the podium as far as recordings. I know the finnish conductor you are refering to .
His Sibelius is the very worst I ever heard.
The only Sibelius I have left in my collection are a  few of his tone poems and his great Kullervo sym
His syms, after 5 full sets, are now long gone.

So Minnesota , LutheranISM is popular there. 
I too you up on that and googled 
*Lutheran churches Minnieapolis** 
and what do you know,,, There are dozens if not at least 100 Lutheran hits.
This is good to know, as a  student of religious studies/mediveal, etc.
Luther was a  rascal, and thats being nice. 
I can not say what i really think about that guy on a  public forum.  
And we have ostenisible christian groups employing this guys name.
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My mother was german from Ohio, I think there are lots of germans up there in MN.
WOW those germans, 
I guess they choose not to read  what Jung has to say about them. 
Modern man, not much different from medieval man. 

Josquin des Prez is without doubt one of the Greatest composers of all time .




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