Question on Denon DL-103 retipping options and preferences


I have been looking at getting a Denon DL-103 retipped and I have narrowed it down to getting it done by Steve at VAS or by Andy at Needle Clinic. 

Both companies approach to the DL-103 is very different and I am curious if anyone has heard cartridges from each or what you think that may be better for amazing sounding rock.

Steve recommends a wood housing and then will do a Boron/MR retipping, where Andy will modify the plastic housing on the DL-103 to convert it's enclosed outer body to a half nude body, lightening it up which he says will make it track better.  His conversion will be a micro ridge nude stylus (sapphire/boron cantilever) 

So as stated very different approaches, same cost for the most part, I have ruled Soundsmith out just based on time, I know Andy turns around in a day, but have read a lot about both so I figured I would ask the question to see where people lean more often.  I do already have an ebony housing, just want to get a cartridge that punches way above its weight.

If there is something I should look at outside the DL-103 I would be open to hear about it.

Just for the record this cartridge will be going on a SOTA Sapphire VI with an Audiomods series 6 tonearm and I have a McIntosh MP100 going to a tube rolled Schiit Freya+ driving by two Odyssey Kismet monoblocks and Martin Logan speakers.  
justinrphillips
hdm , As he said he has the cartridge already-so he doesn’t have to shell out
the cash for a new one. I have had  a lot of audio equipment modified over over the years. Most of it was purchased used long before the mods were done.
The way I look at It I got plenty of use out of the original equipment before the
mods-so they didn’t owe me anything. In every case the modifications elevated
the sound quality to what a new unit costing way beyond the total of the unit
and the modification cost. I believe this will be the case with the 103.
Keep in mind that I had 103r’s done and not the 103. Justin’s results my vary.
Have to say I have been curious what a 103r moded would be like compared to a 103 but I have heard crazy good things about the boron/mr mixed with paradox pulse guard.  It is minimal investment at this point and I can save for something else to try.  I am sure in time I will have many cartridges and this post and peaked my interest in a few.  
"You forgot to add another $300 for a cartridge itself prior to the cost of refurbishing service. Some people charge much more for 103 mod, the total with cart itself can be near $1k. Look at the prices for Zu DL103 or Anna Mighty Sound service etc."

Re-read the thread from the beginning my friend.


He paid the cost earlier, it does not change the total value, cartridges are not free. It is better to buy a good cartridge from the start than to try to make a bad cartridge better. Anyway, this is just my point of view.    
"Have to say I have been curious what a 103r moded would be like compared to a 103 but I have heard crazy good things about the boron/mr mixed with paradox pulse guard."

The Paradox pulse body with lead ballast with create a cartridge weight of around 16 grams. You will need a heavy counterweight to compensate. 
I have more than a few of the DL-103 variants that I purchased with broken cantilevers. Average price is about $80 bucks so the real cost is in having one rebuilt to my specs. There is a DL-103, DL-103R, DL-103D all waiting for Steve at VAS Audio to do his magic when I have some free cash. First I need to wear out the 3 that I have, 2 rebuilt by Steve and one that's stock.
Chakster, I don't see the problem with taking a really good generator design and hot rodding it. The basic design of the cartridge is very good and it's just so musical, a trait that doesn't go away when rebuilt to a new level.
There is a reason that the Denon DL-103 and it's variants have a huge following and that it's been in continuous production since the 60's. People just love them.
BillWojo
The best results of moded 103's are with the Audio Musikraft shells. It has consistently been making the Stereophile Class A component list. I have a VAS moded 103R with MR stylus that I use with the Musikraft shell.  The shells are ~ 17 gm (bronze) and with the 103R comes to a total of ~ 21 gm. It is my preferred cartridge given the output voltage of the 103 is ideal. It sounds fantastic with my Kuzma 4P 11.