So you think wire conductors in cables are directional? Think again...

My point here was to give an example of the way we CREATE perception not only passively receive information...In this context cables direction could be a placebo effect.... Why not?

My other point in this thread is that our senses access information about reality in a way an unidimensional tool could not... This is the reason why we cannot treated all people testimonies and rejecting them with the back of the hand....

My main point is CORRELATION between human perception and measures are science.... BUT REDUCING human perception to only what is measured in all cases and in all times is ideology not science... A methodological attitude when experimenting using some tools with human perception cannot be a definition of human perception in itself....

yesiamjohn3 posts05-22-2021 5:29amDjones51, you are going about this all wrong. Things like this used to bother me, but I found it is better to let audiophiles have their cable delusions. The more the better. The more they spend on cables the less money they have to spend on the things that matter to sound. That means less competition for us to purchase those items. The more they spend on things that don’t matter the less we need to spend on that do.


Let them twist science with their rather interesting views, let them insult engineers. It tells much about them and they hurt themselves more than anyone else. They make fun of other websites meanwhile the likes of Toole and Pass, and many actual audio experts will post at those sites, not here. People who have moved the science sound forward are not here are they? I did see Ted Denney started to post here though. See what I mean?

Bravo. Well stated.

Perhaps audiophile have their cables delusion....And certainly it is if we look at price....



But i have observed that some so called scientists here have their own delusions about what is real and what is not....

Reducing human perception to engineering software is not science, it could be technology, but science is not an ontological faith in "matter" nor a quest for technological power....

I love the term "science sound". So funny how words like science, engineers, measurements, test equipment, etc simply appeal to certain people. Comforting like an old soft blanket. Perhaps reassuring in that it encourages them often to spend less. I have been listening seriously for over 3 decades and I just dont see the point in questioning what I hear. I still am working on differentiating different from better which is an exercise which is fun but taxing. 

The thing that I find so interesting is the notion that certain people hear better than others seems anathema to some. Some on this site seem completely unable to accept the fact that their hearing may be inferior. Certainly one of the first things I would consider if someone claimed to hear something that I didnt. As if differences in the acuity of senses went against some evolutionary absolute. 

As if differences in the acuity of senses went against some evolutionary absolute.

I think it is not so much a greater "acuity" but sometimes  a greater experience and knowledge based perceptive history.... What some called a "bias" in a sarcastic way without knowing that certain " bias" are learned the hard way...

Ask any Maestro....

For sure i hated marketing publicity about cables and false claims about "quantum effect" for example...Not because they are impossible but because nothing of this marketing ploys are proved at all....

But when it is said, this is not a reason to twist science the other way and claim that all there is to audible experience could be measured....

Sheeps take a side, i am not one.....