So you think wire conductors in cables are directional? Think again...

it seems that instead of derailing a thread between 2 insulting sides i give some food to the thought...

Perhaps the listening of these audible differences is a placebo caused by the complex way the perceptive paths is constituted...

Perhaps human hearing access to some information a frequencies meter could not...

I dont know and nobody here know in a scientifically proven way....

The subject is interesting anyway if we spare insults and think about in all possible ways....

 For the cables sellers : i dont buy costly cables because in audio, vibrations controls, decreasing the electrical noise floor and especially acoustic controls , matter way more than buying costly cables...

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Here is an article illustrating why music is not reducible to acoustic for those who dont know....
https://maplelab.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Schutz-09-The-Mind-of-the-Listener-Acoustics-Perception-and-the-Musical-Experience.pdf

This one article explains why some people like the sound of speakers they like the looks of and critique the sound of better sounding speakers they don't like the looks of so much. Human beings are not microphones and cameras attached to micro-processors. We are way better than that. We are human beings.   

The skilled professional Marimba player knows his gesture prolongs the note because his audience sees it and perceives that it prolongs the note- whether it does so when measured by microphone or not!

My point here was to give an example of the way we CREATE perception not only passively receive information...In this context cables direction could be a placebo effect.... Why not?

My other point in this thread is that our senses access information about reality in a way an unidimensional tool could not... This is the reason why we cannot treated all people testimonies and rejecting them with the back of the hand....

My main point is CORRELATION between human perception and measures are science.... BUT REDUCING human perception to only what is measured in all cases and in all times is ideology not science... A methodological attitude when experimenting using some tools with human perception cannot be a definition of human perception in itself....

yesiamjohn3 posts05-22-2021 5:29amDjones51, you are going about this all wrong. Things like this used to bother me, but I found it is better to let audiophiles have their cable delusions. The more the better. The more they spend on cables the less money they have to spend on the things that matter to sound. That means less competition for us to purchase those items. The more they spend on things that don’t matter the less we need to spend on that do.


Let them twist science with their rather interesting views, let them insult engineers. It tells much about them and they hurt themselves more than anyone else. They make fun of other websites meanwhile the likes of Toole and Pass, and many actual audio experts will post at those sites, not here. People who have moved the science sound forward are not here are they? I did see Ted Denney started to post here though. See what I mean?

Bravo. Well stated.

Perhaps audiophile have their cables delusion....And certainly it is if we look at price....



But i have observed that some so called scientists here have their own delusions about what is real and what is not....

Reducing human perception to engineering software is not science, it could be technology, but science is not an ontological faith in "matter" nor a quest for technological power....