For those that use an external DAC with node 2i


Please describe the shortcomings of the node2i dac, as well as what to specifically expect to hear as an improvement with a truly better (not just different and external dac). My node seems to have what I'd call a bit dark smoothed sound. Cymbals seem a bit faint, but trying another dac that presents a more forward louder cymbal seems to sound less recessed and smoothed; thereby exchanging a bit of dark(warm?) smooth depth for more forward brighter presence that is more forward enveloping but with less depth. It's weird, because depending upon the song one may sound better than the other. I'm not sure which sound is truly more accurate, or even which one I prefer consistently, but I would like to make a choice and start listening to my music instead of critically analysing each component back-and-forth. Perhaps I'm not using enough of a drastic improvement dac, but I'd like to figure that out too. I do realize a lot of what sounds better to one person is different than what another likes, but so far, I'm leaning towards the dac where the cymbals seem louder/brighter even though it's at the expense of what seems to me to maybe be a darker smoother (illusory lower noise floor?).
Also, I was unable to level match this comparison,  so that adds another variable. The external dac I compared to the node 2i was an old parasound zdac version 1. Perhaps if I sampled a higher end dac like a denafrips or an Ayre coda, etc. I'd see what direction was better for a reference point, but if anybody here has actually done their own evaluations, I'd welcome your input, experience and perspective. Thanks.
128x128labguy
I have a very different take on all this.  I have a Node2i which I have tried with the internal DAC and with external DACs.  I also tried the streamer/DAC combinations in the NAD M10 and M33.  I have tried Amazon HD, Idagio, Qobuz, Tidal and now finally Primephonic (via AirPlay).  Primephonic has made by far the biggest difference because they have so many recordings of various classical pieces.  For example, they have 567 recordings of Beethoven's 5th Symphony.  (This is not a typo.)  The differences in the performances are much greater than the differences across streamers/DACS.  The point is not that you should use Primephonic (it is almost exclusively classical) - or any other particular streaming service - but rather that the performance and the recording matter a lot more than the streamer/DAC. 
@jjss49 

the dac drives 80-90% of the nature of sq

So you agree that what comes before the DAC matters but are saying that a 10-20% difference in sound quality doesn't matter? 

I’m using the Node 2i with a Cullen power cord, Cat8 ethernet and a ARC dac7 & Cardas Lightning digi cable. Vast improvement over just the stock Node via wifi. One day i’ll upgrade the Node to a Lumin but I’m in no rush.
@big_greg

So you agree that what comes before the DAC matters but are saying that a 10-20% difference in sound quality doesn’t matter?

yes it matters, it all matters -- but i am arguing points of relative importance and impact for $ spent

i guess what i am saying is in my experience, you reach a point of diminishing returns in music server SQ quite fast (so long as key conditions like stable internet feed, decent digital cable are met), and for most hi fi enthusiasts chasing better SQ for their incremental $ spent, i feel it is much better spent on a better sounding outboard dac once a decent (relatively inexpensive but good) performing streamer is in hand

to make this point practically, i would be very comfortable advising someone who is using the analog outputs of their bluesound node 2i to keep it, use its digital output and buy an mhdt orchid, chord qutest, schiit gumby or ayre codex -- rather than spend that extra $1000-1500 on a fancier lumin auralic aurender streamer
I had a well regarded Hegel DAC that was several years old that I sold when I got the Node2i. I did not discern enough of a difference between it and the internal DAC of the 2i to keep the Hegel and ultimately sold it for twice what I paid for the Node 2i.

Recently I purchased a Musical Paradise DAC that, after I upgraded the tubes and Caps, sounds way better than the internal DAC of the Node 2i.

DACs have come a long way in the last 5 years. I don't mean to knock the internal DAC of the Node 2i, it is a great unit for the money, but there is no doubt in my mind that it can be improved on.