Pivot to Spindle distance


My P2S distance is off by about 5 mm (over). But my cartridge seams to be aligned pretty good. Is there any advantage to having the P2S distance exact? Sounds spectacular with my redoing the entire setup.
Must have had a senior moment during the P2S alignment part.

VPI Aries
JMW-10 arm
VPI jig (to get it close)
WallyTractor (final alignment)
markpao
I just looked again and see your distance is ’over’. The concepts are the same, in your case, a longer cartridge body, longer slots in the tonearm or headshell let you get the stylus overhang correct. Now you have achieved an ARC of a 5mm longer arm.

However, a 5mm longer arm ’might’ have a different recommended overhang than what is specified for your arm’s length/exact pivot location.

Again, sounds great!



@islandmandan 
I kind of figured that but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on something.

@ tooblue
Good observation. And thanks for the compliment. But no, I had to drill in a totally new arm board I got from VPI when I went to the 10" arm. The 9" had a different mounting location. The VPI jig was also new for the 10" as well as a Wallytractor.

@ elliottbnewcombjr

” However, a 5mm longer arm ’might’ have a different recommended overhang than what is specified for your arm’s length/exact pivot location.

Ok, this is interesting information. I’ll look into this.

 








Mark, You wrote, "My P2S distance is off by about 5 mm (over). But my cartridge seams to be aligned pretty good."  Define "pretty good".  Thanks.
Sounds spectacular with my redoing the entire setup.

Yes, I could have told you that. Probably everyone here has heard this before, but the thing is most people while they want to believe they think and figure stuff out the truth is they mostly repeat what most people say. Because if a lot of people say it then it must be true, right? 

Study those diagrams above, which you might as well, I'm not about to waste any more time on it. Same old. What they show, if you think about it, is no pivoted arm is ever tracking correctly except at two theoretical points. All the rest of the time it is off one way or the other.

Therefore, logically, no matter how much time you put into it or how perfectly perfect you get it, it's perfect for like one nanosecond per side. All the rest of the time it is off, and a lot of the time by a lot!

Only, funny thing, no one ever seems to notice. No one. Ever. In the freaking history of records. People sick and tired of me saying this, but nowhere near as sick and tired as I am having to repeat patently obvious truth that somehow never manages to stick. Something like 90 plus percent of the sound you get is the needle being drug through the groove. If you get VTA and VTF right, there's another 5%. Very last thing on the list is the alignment that is affected by P2S or overhang. 

Absolutely the least important of all alignment parameters. AS YOUR EARS ARE TELLING YOU! But funny thing, audiophiles never really seem to trust their ears.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled non sequiturs.