Teach me about cartridge 'retipping'


Thought I would throw this out there for comment by long time vinyl aficionados...

We all have cartridges we love, some are pricey treasures... but they wear out eventually even with much care and diligence in use.

There are still some good folks with excellent reputations doing retip services of various makes - Peter at SS, Andy Kim in WA, Steve Leung in NJ etc etc... not to mention some of the manufacturers of course, who still do them. It would seem to me these old craftsmen may or may not be passing along these valuable skills to younger apprentices.

I have bought a couple Grace F9 retips from Peter Ledermann - they work wonderfully. No longer having a fresh factory F9L I will never know whether they sound different.  But they sound great.

Curious to hear comments about how these retips are done, and whether they can reliably reproduce the original sound signature of the cartridge. I wonder, for instance, about how the cantilever is removed and reinstalled, relative to the suspension of the original cartridge, etc etc.  Is the suspension replaced?  What is a suspension comprised of, for example, in a typical higher end MC cart like a Dynavector a Lyra a VDH...

Of course, as time passes, the original cartridges age and I can imagine suspensions in them eventually get compromised as well...
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@needlestein : About the glue usend to fix the stylus tip you are rigth too but that seller likes to intimidates/distress to the audiophiles with his photos that at the end means nothing.

I had some first hand experiences with top vintage and today cartridges where with out notice one day when the cartridge hits the LP surface we note that something is wrong and what is wrong is that the stylus tip is not " there " any more and we try to find out in the LP surface or around there but we can't see it.

This kind of experience was once with a top Audio Technica LOMC  that's a manufacturer I respect a lot and I owned/own almost all its vintage and today MM/LOMC models including the great Signet ones that's is part of the AT group.

Other experience about that comes to my mind happened in the top room/system of an Agoner and reviewer that lives in Houston when I was there for the firts time and he had mounted in his Rockport TT a Lyra Titan top of the line cartridge: when the cartridge been in touch with the LP surface both of us knew something was terrible wrong and he had no explanation about because he was listened the last nigth his system and everything were fine but " today " the problem was that the stylus tip just " gone " and we are talking of a new Lyra Titan.

I remember too that when I bougth my first Ortofon LOMC MC-2000 after less than 60 play hours one day the stylus tip just take a " fligth ".
Not many years ago when Ortofon ( by coincidence . ) puts in the market its Anna cartridge some owners had that kind of stylus tip " disappears act ".

In all those cases there were no mishandling of the cartridges, just happens.

I think that when a cartridge is/was a good performer no re-tipper can makes its sounds bad or with lower quality performance levels that when in original shape.

@jjss49  your re-tipping experiences were very good and in this thread there is no single post where one audiophile said the re-tipped cartridge sounds in poor way . All experiences are good experiences.

Now, a re-tipping job is made by a human been and no one is perfect and around of thousands of thousands re-tipped cartridges that a re-tipper did it could exist a very few that more than by " accident " than for negligence could performs not in the way we are waiting for and it's ok because no one is perfect. So, we can wait that in absolute terms never could happens a " mistake ".

The name of the game is re-tipping or buy a new today cartridge and don't take in count those sellers that want to take money from you and that try to intimidates you against re-tipping job because the origianl sounds better because this is a totally false myth.

You don't have to believe me, just try and have first hand experiences with re-tipping and you will confirm is a very good alternative.

R..
Dear @jjss49  and friends: Today the supliers of stylus tip diamonds, cantilevers, dampers and the like have way better quality parts because after 50+ years the cartridge parts industry just advanced making parts with tight and accurated specs/tolerances and in the case of diamonds/Ruby a better polish job and the like.. Today damper types is way better too.
Industry " keep walking " according the cartridge designer needs and all those means that our cartridges certainly always will be benefited by the re-tippers work and as I said no one of my retipped vintage/today cartridges sounds with lower quality level performance than when original, all performes way better so any one of you just go a head with re-tippers and re-read the @teo_audio and @needlestein posts and forgeret of all false information coming from that vintage cartridge seller.

Here a list of some re-tippers:

 [email protected]

https://www.northwestanalogue.com/cartridge-repairs.html

http://www.phonocartridgeretipping.com/index.html

http://holisticaudio.nl/services.html

https://www.sound-smith.com/services/cartridge-rebuilding-retipping

https://vasnyinc.com/repair-service/

https://garrottbrothers.com/repairs-retipping

https://www.vandenhul.com/product/cartridge-repair-modification-re-tipping-available-services/

https://www.goldring.co.uk/goldring-cartridge-repair-refurbishment

http://anamightysound.com/cat/cartridge-retipping/

http://www.thecartridgeman.com/

http://www.london-cartridges.co.uk/

http://www.torlai.it/

http://www.audiosilente.com/riparazi…a-testine.html

https://www.tonabnehmerservice.de




Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
Dear @vegasears  : Yes, always because when you change the cantilever/stylus then the cartridge signature changes a little it's not as: day and nigth.

Even if you re-tipped directly with the manufacturer it will does not sounds exactly the same.

The good news is that never will sounds bad or with lower quality level performance than before be re-tipped.

R.

Nothing is perfect and in audio always exist trade-offs but here the re-tip is a " win to win " choice. !