Higher End DACs


I am looking for a DAC (potentially streamer&DAC) to be paired in a mcintosh system (c1100/611). Its my first foray into digital streaming and I have no need for a CD player.

I see a lot of love for Esoteric, however, most seems to be around their transports? Are they not as renowned for pure digital streaming and/or standalone DACs? I see DCS (for instance) often referenced for standalone DACs - how does Esoteric compare?
ufguy73
@dmance "the magic is [going] away"  Any solutions for your  tone deafness? 
 -200dB ? Noone hears that. I'm not saying  the computer mentioned above isn't a good product IMO it's a bit much for simply streaming over the internet. For running roon or other DB's I am sure they don't  even come close to stressing that computer. 
djones51:"I don't doubt that the SGM Extreme is a great server streamer but dual Xeon processors and 48 gigs of ram? All you're doing is storing and streaming music not 3D rendering and VR design and video editing, isn't this thing a bit of overkill?"

Have to agree with djones51 on this, this, this is starting to sound silly. The Roon software + Windows (which one assumes has been minimized to the required process) is going to use what 1/6 - 1/4 of this memory or less. What do you do with the other 48 gigs? -- You could store days of uncompressed music in there, but that seems like overkill. On the other hand, that extra memory does draw more power and it is more PCB areas for an RF antenna.

w.r.t. "Renderer" ... that would only really apply if you are taking advantage of Roons DSP capability, otherwise, really just a server.

I can't support the statement either, "your dac can only be as good as what it's fed. the server performance is a limitation to that. " as it is predominantly not true. Yes, if you are using DSP capability in Roon, that is going to change what is coming out, and if you have a noisy electrical connection (solved with optical isolation between DAC and server), then that goes away.  Async USB, Ethernet, etc. the DAC is not getting anything from the server except a bit stream, and it is getting it in a home environment error free. Any clocking information is local to the DAC. "Vibration Control" .. in a server?  The unavoidable power spikes (overkill process ramping up/down, oversized memory, etc.) are going to have orders or magnitude more impact on jitter in a digital signal than vibration. w.r.t RF, right-sizing the processor requirements will go far further ... so you don't need ventilation holes, or things that can cause vibration.
Again agree with djones51, w.r.t. -200db, that no one can hear it, and when the light of day is shined on the claim (properly administered test), the claimed ability to detect this disappears.

dmance, the only paper i could see that you referenced was on human hearing and fourier uncertainty principle which was sort of sham, hence why I don't believe it was ever published in a peer reviewed journal:  https://nrc-publications.canada.ca/eng/view/accepted/?id=ca9f5091-2658-449e-b08e-b071712acbf0
That paper was a joke, but unfortunately there are too many science "pump" sites and audio sites are always desperate for content.

Were you referencing another paper? 




interesting how many opinions we have here about what can’t have an effect on digital audio, servers, reading files, and streaming.

you read this stuff in a book? or actually personally tested these things?

just for the record.