Thiel Owners

@nkonor & @rascs:


How does Spectral's high-bandwidth, ultra fast designs manifest themselves in the final sound that one hears from the system?  Again, I have not as yet had the pleasure of listening to a Spectral system, but my intrigue grows the more I learn & read about them.

Thanks for any thoughts!

OK, I realize this is getting somewhat off the forum topic, but the folks at Berkeley Audio tell me that they run the Alpha DAC directly into Spectral amps, with excellent results.So right now, I'm looking at the Spectral DMA-300. Specs as follows:Power Output (continuous):
@ 8 ohms - 225 Watts RMS, @ 4 ohms - 410 Watts RMS, @ 2 ohms - 615 Watts RMS
Output Current: 60 Amps peak per channelFrequency Response: a0.1 dB, DC-150 KHz,a1 dB, DC-1 MHz, a3 dB, DC-1.8 MHz
or the DMA 400Power Output (continuous):
@ 8 ohms - 225 Watts RMS,@ 4 ohms - 410 Watts RMS,@ 2 ohms - 615 Watts RMS
Output Current: 60 Amps peak per channel
Frequency Response: same as DMA-300
to use with my Thiel 3.7s in my 20x20x8, one side opening into another room, listening spaceThiel 3.7 specs:
Amplitude Response 33HZ-22kHz +/- 2DB; Sensitivity [email protected] V-1m; Impedance 4 ohms (2.8 minimum), Recommended power 200-600 watts
As far as I can tell, either of these amps would do fine, with the caveat that they do not do the coveted "doubling down." I need some help with this. Any thoughts on these amp/speaker pairings will be greatly appreciated!Todd

My two cents and two thousand words on Spectral products. It seems the only press they get (along with the Berkeley Alpha DAC) is Robert Harley, for better or worse. Goodwins audio outside Boston carry both, and I had a thorough audition of the Alpha DAC in 2012 soon after it first came out, but more to the point here, a good taste of the Spectral DMC 30 preamp (driving non-Spectral amps in this case), after auditioning DACs through a very good ’other’ preamp. On the same material, in comparison, the front-to-rear layering of the soundstage, even on studio recordings, was unlike anything I’d heard in hifi before, combined with a near-holographic stereo image. The top octaves, despite modest digital source material (on a $22,000 dCS CD player), were pristine, precise, super-fast, but entirely natural, and actually seemed on the ’darker’ side of neutral. My initial response was certainly amazement, but that didn’t allow for a more-accurate long-term assessment. As my time in the room (after coming to hear DACs) was finishing up, I couldn’t listen to all I would have liked to, but my impressions were beyond other high-end preamps I’m familiar with, or was .

The company seems pretty low-key, archaic website, and design the best product they can, and leave them alone for years. The preamps have the decent control flexibility I like. It seems the wide bandwidth can cut both ways. There’s certainly no musical information in the MHz, but it does make for perfect transients, even if the high frequency noise screws with downstream amps. My own preamp is spec’d -3dB@>0.5MHz vs Spectral’s 1.5MHz, so I don’t know what frequency the issues begin, but I’m sure there’s more to it. This engineer likes their internal layout, design approach, relevant innovations, product cycle longevity, sane pricing, application of RF instrumentation technologies, true research into semiconductor physics and other details that are taken for granted out of necessity by other high-end designers. I would sure like to audition a DMC-30 at home!

A good friend had Alan Goodwin design a ground-up ultimate listening room within the foundation of his cost-no-object new construction, optimized for 2-channel, but also has 5.1. Spectral DMA-360 amps (and preamp) all around (driving large Avalons), and to my current awareness they’ve been on 24/7 for twenty years without issue. Yes, it sounds amazing, but primarily because of a perfect acoustic, perfect absorption and T60 across all frequencies, and perfect bass loading, something never heard in even a well-treated home room turned listening room.

tmsrdg

"I realize this is getting somewhat off the forum topic, but the folks at Berkeley Audio tell me that they run the Alpha DAC directly into Spectral amps, with excellent results.So right now, I'm looking at the Spectral DMA-300. "

Without being cheeky I think your making a good decision ,
one less interconnect cable , one less power cord leaving 
more $ for your amp or speaker cable upgrade .
I use a passive preamp because I need an attenuator and selector .
 I'm one of the minimalists  , less between the music and the speakers . 
You should look into other forums on the topic passive vs. active ,
in your case preamp or no preamp that is the question .

And The Band Played On 

Rob

Hello all!

This past weekend, I finally got a chance to hook up the second ARC D240 MKII amp to my system. In bridged-mono mode, the amps effectively double their power to 480 watts/each at 8 ohms...very powerful indeed!

This was immediately noticeable in the way my 3.5’s performed...low level detail and clarity was outstanding as was the overall "slam" on bass-heavy passages. Also peculiar was the effect this had on the Thiel Bass Equalizer: before, I didn’t really notice a difference between the 40Hz - 20Hz settings. Now, there was a definite change in the character of the presentation.

As far as the rest of the performance, the soundstage seemed to grow deeper, with instrumentation more layered and pronounced than before. I never got the sense that the Thiels "disappeared", but they are definitely less "in your face" than before. However, the details and nuances in well recorded materials are even more noticeable, even more defined than before.

The overall sense I get is that the extra control and headroom that this bridged-mono configuration has on my speakers has been well worth the wait. I had been searching for the better part of 18 months for another amp to match with my own and in this case, patience was well rewarded. Before, I had always wondered "How can I make my Thiels sing better?" Now, I am completely satisfied in knowing they are getting all the power and current they need.

For reference sake, here’s what my little listening area looks like:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/arvincastro/sets/72157713245305663

Going into this, I set a price limit for $1000/component to see how good of a system I could assemble on a modest budget. While I know I am decidedly on the "vintage" path in terms of ARC gear, the high-quality, fit and finish and performance remain as good as anything I could hope to get for the price. Plus, I just love the way it sounds!

Thanks for letting me share...Hope everyone’s doing well!

Arvin C