I am sorry Ethan. I don't set up professional studios. I am just a commoner, a hobbyist. This is not a job for me
The science of opinion ...
Some may find this interesting (it is).
Some may find this threatening (it isn't, it is science).
Some may read it and use it to help them understand the dynamics of internet forums.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0078433
Some may find this threatening (it isn't, it is science).
Some may read it and use it to help them understand the dynamics of internet forums.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0078433
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First, what is the goal of the test? Is it to prove that A is better than B? ... nope, that would require a properly administered test (which by the way is not hard, just requires methodology) No, our goal is to validate or disprove the claims which include, but are of course not limited to:
So, you see, proving or disproving these claims does not require a highly detailed scientific study to attempt to isolate one variable in a situation where many variables can change, often without notice. This is a single variable change, and we don't need a huge sample set of people, we only need 1 person -- the person making the claim, but sure, if you would like to extend it to all people making the claim to increase statistical sample size, then sure ... have at it. The thing is Cleeds, proving something true to a level of reasonable doubt (we are talking a subjective subject) does require a somewhat robust experiment. However, we are not trying to prove something is true, we are trying to prove something is false, and that only requires one case, but if you would like to prove it false with many people, I am all for it :-) I cannot be expected to tell a difference on a different system. I know my system inside and out, and can tell even the slightest change:
You can't tell the difference in a fast switching test. I need more time to listen, X needs to settle, etc.
You can only tell on certain music.
I don't even know why anyone argues this point any more. Every excuse has a solution, and for every solution, there will be another excuse ... including your unfounded difficult to do a scientific experiment excuse ... because as I stated above, it is not. If you or anyone else claims that:
Then all one needs to do is replicate the test, double blind on their system. If one claims:
Then all one needs to do is allow them to configure a suitably resolving system (of their choice) and then let them pick the people with "good ears" and run the test (double blind). If those people can't show any statistical ability to detect the change, and keep in mind these are people motivated to do that, then you have proved the statement false. It is totally totally weird how easy it is to set up something approaching a controlled situation for proving claims (and increasing sales) in audio, and yet no one does. I don’t mean most don’t do it, I don’t mean it is not done very often, I mean well neverIt isn’t really clear what you’re saying here, but you’re completely mistaken if you believe that setting up a valid controlled scientific listening test is easy. Those that I’ve seen conduct such tests go to great lengths to ensure their validity. |
Whatever you do, NEVER recommend Synergistic Research’s "HFTs" as a viable room treatment in any forum where Ethan Winer participates. If you do, you will be faced with the wrath of the Guru of Acoustic Science, Winer himself. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Scared?" Really? How about just not interested? I’d rather poke an icepick in my ear than to read some of that scientific psychobabble. Wanna talk about music sometimes? How about single malt Scotch, or motorcycle racing? or cycling?, or surfing? or fishing, or the 2020 Corvette, or the grandkids ... or just about putting a mono LP recorded in the early 50s on a turntable, playing it through a great audio system, and just being astounded by how great it sounds? And by the way ... the comments above are not intended to be an "attack," or even "criticism" in any way. Frank |
Hey oregonpapa, You installed the GATE and you said it made an absolutely night and day difference in your system. If I am mistaken, you already had some level of power-conditioning, expensive power cords, etc. I thought the whole point of those things is so that something like the GATE would not be needed. If the GATE truly makes the tremendous difference you claim, wouldn't that mean that all the other power products and tweaks were perhaps not performing nearly as well as you thought ... I believe you claimed those made a tremendous difference as well. |
atdavid First, what is the goal of the test? Is it to prove that A is better than B? ... nope, that would require a properly administered test (which by the way is not hard, just requires methodology)You can set any goal for your test that you like. If you want it to be scientifically valid, you'll have to follow established protocols for that. It's often not as easy as it looks! ... proving something true to a level of reasonable doubt (we are talking a subjective subject) does require a somewhat robust experiment. However, we are not trying to prove something is true, we are trying to prove something is false ...Again, you can set any goal for your test that you like, even going so far as to refer to yourself as "we." But please don't come here and demand that others conduct a test for you. "We" have no such obligation. This is a hobbyist's group. |
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