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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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geoffkait
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glupson
geoffkait,
Regarding your comments about amg56, knowing when to curb yourself or stop is necessary in any communication. You lost any residual credibility that anyone might have thought you deserved based on an occasional post or two where you did seem to compose a lucid sentence. Your views of Internet forums as a vehicle for sadistically insulting people from safe distance are deplorable.

>>>>Please don’t insult my intelligence. Actually I did not insult amg56. Besides, he’s the one who keeps mentioning his physical and mental condition, not me. He’s mentioned cancer at least three or four times. For someone who just joined Audiogon he has mentioned his cancer and his upcoming diagnosis a bunch. Besides, if things are so dire, why is it taking so long to get a diagnosis? It’s been what, a month, since he mentioned it? You guys are such drama queens. You wanna be somebody? Go on Dr. Phil.

Not mention the suicide issue in his family he brought up the other day. I mean who does that? Come on, people! And if that weren’t enough he goes out of his way to attack people on this forum constantly. Hel-loo! Issues! Trolls like yourself and amg56 shouldn’t be so hypersensitive, or pretend to be. Whatever. You guys should go on the Dr. Phil Show. It’s a talk show. You can talk through it. 🙄

Regarding your comments about prof and me, please see above.

>>>>Whatever.
glupson
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geoffkait,


I will have to repeat myself. Knowing when to curb yourself or stop is necessary in any communication.


Nobody should expect you to be deeply familiar with practice of medicine, but your...

"If things were so dire, why is it taking so long to get a diagnosis? It’s been what, a month, since he mentioned it?"

make me remember that knowing when to curb yourself or stop is necessary in any communication. Also, it may be hard to grasp a mind and thoughts of a cancer patient and ways she/he copes with that problem, but there have been many pages written about it. It does not matter if you read them or not.


Stop insulting people around here. Even if you think it is funny or witty, it is not.


PS The cancer patient has the right to talk about her/his illness. You do not, unless specifically called for. As a dark reminder. Age is a significant risk factor for cancer. None of us is getting younger. You would be granted same above-mentioned right, if you found yourself in amg56’s situation, with no questions asked.

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geoffkait
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Whatever. Maybe you didn’t hear me. I said I did not insult him. End of discussion. What are you, suddenly the forum psychologist? Did someone die and make you the moderator? Give me a break. Go bother someone else.
glupson
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geoffkait,

To paraphrase you,

Give us a break. Do not bother anyone else.

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unreceivedogma
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“I think most folks on a site like this who are serious about getting good sound listen carefully to everything, read up on things, and their room at home is the only ‘real empirical testing ground’ available. Once the tests are successful and meet their goals then they stop. Until their goals maybe change again... ”

mapman, to that I say amen, except that I would add “that matters” to “real empirical testing ground”. 

And you’ve nailed geoffkait. He must live in his parents basement, he has so much time on his hands to agitate in these parts, how else to explain? 

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