Don't think my preamp likes feeding signal to two seperate places.


Just discovered that my system sounded noticeably better when I disconnected the interconnects that feed my subwoofer crossover unit.  Simply having them connected, micro detail diminishes. Treble gets a little less extended. Is this what is meant as an impedance mismatch? It's obviously affecting the fidelity arriving to the main stereo amp.  Now I'm stuck with having better bass or better micro detail and sounstaging. Is there  anything I can do? I'm bummed out. The main stereo amp is fed by balanced out from the pre. The subwoofer crossover unit is fed by rca out from the pre. It seems like the preamp doesn't like feeding two things at once. This is a really upsetting discovery. It's not a huge difference, but noticable to me.  Now the system sounds absolutely incredible, but now I don't have any sub bass. 


ARC  LS 17 preamp-----main out rca to paradigm x30 sub crossover------adcom GFA555se (as subwoofer Amp)
 
Main output XLR to ARC  DS450

is this a limitation to the ARC ls17 circuitry? Would the preamps up the range not have this phenomenon? I know it's not arcs hi end model, but I wouldn't expect this from a unit at this price range. I wouldn't think I would have to have this compromise. 

Any thoughts?

audiolover718
Georgelofi, I am not directly connecting the 555 to the ARC, I'm using a paradigm crossover in line between it.  Apparently it has an input impedance of 20kohms. According to the thread I referenced, this is a not optimal, as well as using single ended and balanced simultaneously from the arcs output. 

thanks for the suggestion, but I don't have quality interconnects to go all single ended.   I might pursue having a buffer made as per the thread I referenced. Seems he was in a very similar situation, with the same crossover unit as I.  
I am a little confused. Where does the signal get split?

Is your preamp feeding ONLY the crossover? Or is it feeding an amp AND the crossover?

Best,

Erik
Erik, note in the initial post that he is connecting the LS17 to the DS450 power amp directly, via XLR.
Treble gets a little less extended.
If the cable length from the LS17 to the crossover is particularly long, and/or if the cable has high capacitance per unit length, that could be a contributing factor in addition to the impedance issue that has been cited. The capacitance of the cable to the sub crossover will affect the signal received by the DS450 essentially the same as if the only cable present on each channel was the one connecting the LS17 to the DS450, and if the capacitance of that cable equaled the total of the capacitances of the two cables you are using. In either case, given that all of the preamp’s output connectors are driven by a single output stage, a low pass filter would be formed by the interaction of the preamp’s output impedance with the total of the cable capacitances that are present. If either cable is particularly long and/or has high capacitance per unit length the high frequency rolloff and/or phase shifts introduced by that filter could occur at frequencies that are low enough to be audible .
Would the preamps up the range not have this phenomenon?
While I don’t have specific knowledge of all of the recent high end models, just about every one of the many spec sheets I have seen for ARC line stages and preamps at www.arcdb.ws indicates a recommended minimum load of 20K. And just about every one of the many schematics I have seen shows the output connectors that are provided for each channel all being driven from a single output stage, with the RCA connector connected directly to XLR pin 2, and with the two XLR connectors (if provided) connected directly together.

Regards,
-- Al

An additional problem is that the RCA is in parallel with the balanced output on the ARC preamp. This means that as soon as the RCA connection is used, the output of the balanced connection is no longer really balanced. There's a lot here that is pointing to the preamp as the bottleneck.