mc cartridge loading


I currently load an Audio Technica ART9 at 90 ohms, the load 'inherited' from another cartridge, am pleased with the sound but recognize the manufacturer's recommendation that at least 100 ohms be used.  Changing load requires opening the phono-amplifier case, somewhat tedious.   Is increasing the resistance (decreasing the load) worth the effort?
seventies
The rules in audio are like the rules in economics.  Everyone likes to believe they have the answers but the outcome varies because we Do Not know all the variables.

In regards to your ears not being the ultimate test well that is exactly what they are.  You have to listen to it.  We can argue who can hear and who can not.  We can also argue with tradeoffs involved where are your priorities but these goals will only be met by using your ears.

Never looked at a sine wave on my scope and started dancing.  The one size fits all in audio is Well optimistic!!!  I build all my own gear so I am lucky. I can change everything around a million different ways.  I do not have to show the bean counters where the profit is or explain why I went down this dead end road.

So the moral of the story for the original post is the Only way he is going to know in his system is to experiment with different resistor types and values.  Then listen.  If that 2 dollar resistor puts a smile on his face who cares if it is real or in his head.

Enjoy the ride
Tom
The 10X Rule is important mostly for achieving a flat frequency response within the audio frequency range (up to 20kHz), when two amplifying elements (e.g., preamplifier and amplifier, CDP and preamplifier line input) are in tandem; the input impedance of the driven stage ought to be AT LEAST 10X the value of the output Z of the preceding stage.  But this is only a rule of thumb. Even at a 10X ratio, the math tells us that there would be a small loss of signal voltage at frequencies nearing and beyond 20kHz.  In the case where the driver is a phono cartridge, which is also a transducer subject to inherent nonlinear behavior, the situation becomes more complex.  So, I agree that probably one should not go lower than a 10X ratio between the internal resistance of a phono cartridge and the input resistance of the phono stage, but a higher ratio can be better and usually is, at least where phono cartridges are concerned.  However, I have read on-line many times that a ratio lower than 10X is subjectively preferred by some of us, with some cartridges.  This seems to be true of the Denon DL103, for one example.  (I don't own one.)  

My preamplifier is an Atma-sphere MP1, and now that I have set it up so as to be able to switch easily between 100R, 1000R, and 47K, I find that I most of the time prefer 47K.  This gives a more "open" and richer treble, for want of a better vocabulary to describe it, but the difference between 47K and 1000R is subtle.

Do you listen to the music? Are you crazy? Have you any idea

about variables involved? I am , of course, still adjusting ...

I use the same cartridge as the OP, in conjunction with a Herron VTPH-2 phono stage.  After briefly trying 1K and 47K loading I settled on no loading, meaning the nearly infinite input impedance of the Herron's FET-based input stage.  Keith Herron recommends that with his particular phono stage that nearly infinite impedance will be optimal with many cartridges.

Also, FWIW, I would characterize the differences I noted between the three loading conditions as being recording dependent, relatively minor, and hard to pin down.  I suspect that the difference between the lowest value I tried (1K) and 100 ohms would have been much more profound, and probably not for the better in conjunction with the VTPH-2.

Regards,
-- Al
 
In all the years I have been reading and talking to engineers who are involved with step up trans and carts this is the first time I ever heard this.
Apparently they don't know the physics of phono sections.

In the case of an SUT you have a different set of variables! The SUT is the major player in terms of loading and you have to satisfy its requirements for the best sound. That will vary according to the cartridge and interconnect used, as transformers transform impedance, so if your cartridge x is lower impedance than cartridge y, the loading required to prevent the transformer from ringing will be lower too.  Go too low and the transformer will start to roll off the highs.

My comments precluded the use of an SUT, which will usually block RF interference due to a lack of bandwidth. If you are using an SUT you most definitely have to pay attention to loading! You also have to be careful about the interconnect cable, as the inductance of the SUT is part of the resonance equation. Keeping the interconnect cable capacitance down is key.

If we are simply talking about loading of the cartridge (no SUT), sometimes it is helpful to use test equipment and ears at the same time! Turns out that when the cartridge is loaded  properly (called critical damping) that is also the value at which it sounds best as it is not ringing and not rolled off in the highs. The only thing is, **that really does not apply to low output moving coil cartridges** (instead applies to higher output moving magnet types). You can load LOMCs or not, and when you 'ring' them with a square wave, all you get in response is a square wave. In essence, the loading is only affecting them at RF frequencies and any engineer worth his salt can tell you why: the inductance of the cartridge is very low so the interaction with the loading resistor is occurring at ultrasonic or radio frequencies.

If you search this and other forums you will find this has been discussed quite a lot. 

To summarize:

1) Loading of a LOMC cartridge generally does not affect the cartridge. There will be audible effects if the phono section is unstable with RFI at its input.
  a) for unstable phono sections, the 'loading' resistor detunes the resonance caused by the inductance of the cartridge in parallel with the capacitance of the interconnect cable. Therefore the 'loading' value will change with the cable. We can see from this that the 'correct' value is not likely found in manufacturer's recommendations.

2) In the case of a LOMC cartridge and an SUT, loading of the output of the transformer is paramount for proper performance. Often this will include a capacitive value as well as a resistive component.

3) In all cases the results can be measured and readily correlate with what is heard, meaning that if you know what you are doing you can often get pretty close to what is correct in your system by ear. examples:
  a) if the phono section is stable and no SUT used, the loading will have no electrical effect on a LOMC cartridge. The extra energy asked of the cartridge by loading it may cause the tracking characteristics of the cartridge to change- IOW it may track better without loading. This will be found to be an interaction with the effective mass of the arm/cartridge combination as the loading essentially affects compliance.  If a value of 10x or more of the cartridge impedance is used, the effect on tracking will be minimal. If the phono section is not stable then the loading resistor will be needed to detune the tank circuit at the input of the phono section (cartridge and cable). The best loading value will the highest one that halts the stability problems in the phono section.
  b) if an SUT is used with a LOMC cartridge, the best sound will occur when the transformer is critically damped.
  c) If a high output moving magnet cartridge is used, the best sound will be when the cartridge/cable combination is critically damped.
  d) in all cases it will be found that a low capacitance cable makes things go easier.