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Review: Vandersteen 3a Sig Speaker

Category: Speakers

First, a little about me. I've been an audiophile for 30 years and have been listening to and playing music ever since I can remember. My tastes run to classical and jazz, but I've got quite a bit of rock, from classic to alternative, in my collection. I came of age with the "West Coast Sound" of JBL speakers, moved through more gear including Cerwin Vega noisemakers, maggies, original B&W 801's, and EPOS ES14's. My systems are generally what I would call "Value" audiophile given that I cannot afford the expensive stuff, but I think I have been able to put together musically satisfying systems.

Two years ago, after shelving my audiophile hobby for about 5 years to have kids, buy a house and so on, I got back into the gear and the music. My EPOS ES14's (great speakers) couldn't perform well in my large living room so I dusted off my ears and ventured out on a qwest to find the next best thing. My wife was understanding and let me foray into high end stores to listen over the course of several weekends spread out over months. Since there is no way for any normal human to listen to all the great speakers out there, I had to make my decision based on what I could actually listen to within a reasonable distance from my home.

I auditioned the B&W nautilus range, dynaudio speakers, Totems, Audio Physic models, some monitor audio speakers, and a smattering of others informally auditioned. This was not an easy task. The hardest thing was to maintain the "sonic signature" of a particular speaker from one dealer when trying to compare it to a speaker at another store. I could not A-B speakers so had to gradually listen for specific elements in the sound to eventually determine which speaker(s) did things I liked.

Certain patterns emerged as I did my listening. The B&W nautilus line was almost uniformly "tizzy". It is unfortunate that this fine brand seems to have degraded its quality. The sound was quite hard in the midrange, even in the Nautilus 801. Another pattern I observed was degraded low bass performance in speakers with ported designs.

A few things made the 3A's standouts compared to the other speakers I auditioned:

1. Bass performance is excellent. The Vandys have had a reputation for boomy bass, Not so! The speakers produce bass when its there, and don't when it is not. The 3A's go very low and maintain the tonal character of the bass instrument better than any of the other speakers I auditioned. They actually produce a "resonance" below the tonality of the instrument, creating a much more realistic and believable reproduction. For example, the very low bass drum hits in the early "Gladiator" soundtrack resonated beautifully with the 3A's. The clincher for me was the descending bass line in Led Zeppelin's "dazed and Confused" track. This is a very powerful bass line that goes quite low. The Vandy's handled it and I could define the bass as a fretted instrument even on the lowest tone. Every other speaker (with ports) turned the bass into more of a low bass "tone" as it descended. The 3A's go low, but maintain instrument definition. Plucked accoustic bass sounds incredibly real on the vandys.

2. Midrange. Very smooth. While some complain of a "laid back" quality to Vandersteen speakers, I think it is just the absence of distortion coupled with a flatter reponse than that found in many other speakers. A lot of manufacturers brighten up the mids and highs to improve definition and create a sense of "presence". This also creates listener fatigue. The 3A's incorporate very low distortion drivers. Everything is there, its just that the 3A's don't hit you over the head with the detail, as many other speakers do. I experience almost no listener fatigue with the 3A's.

3. "Musical" preformance. There are times when the Vandys simply produce an extremely realistic representation of an orchestra. Also, vocals, jazz, and piano all come across with superb tonal accuracy and realism. Again, detail is there, but in a real way. For example, when the orchestra is playing at moderately loud levels, it sounds like an orchestra, not a collection of overbright instruments - midrange detail is present, but not exaggerated as it
is in so many other high end speakers.

4. Sound-stage. This is very good, although many of the other speakers I listened to also performed well here. The Vandys work well for me because of my large living room - the drivers are placed fairly high up so the speaker produces a nice "tall" soundstage.

5. Non-fatiguing. My ears never hurt with the 3A's. With some of the other speakers I auditioned, the fatigue was very bad and I couldn't listen more than 25 minutes or so.

Are they perfect? Well no, nothing is. There are a few things to note about these speakers:

a. Overall, they tend to have a warmer tone. If you love super detailed sound or "sizzling highs and thunderous bass" the 3A's may not be for you. They are accurate speakers that sound their best, in my opinion, with classical music, jazz, and acoustic instuments. They can go high and low and produce good bass output, they just don't do it all the time as many "forward" speaker designs do.

b. Rock and Roll. This is a tough genre to reproduce on any speaker because of the stress of the music and the horrible engineering and production values on so many rock sources. The Vandersteen 3A's change their sonic character dramatically to reflect what's coming off a CD. Since Rock is frequently compressed and otherwise mangled by engineers, some rock CDs sound horrible on the Vandys since the speakers are completely unforgiving of low quality source material. If you have a big collection of unremastered rock cds and listen primarily to rock, audition these speakers very carefully. Of course, I tell everyone to buy a PA system if you want your rock CDs to sound like rock played live - PA systems are great for playing rock!

c. Size and weight. Each speaker weighs 90 pounds and they are tricky to move because they aren't made with wood cabinets so one has to take care not to puncture the grills when moving them. Logistically they are difficult to set up because of their weight and dimensions.

Since I bought the Vandys, I have listened to more speakers, incuding Cantons, Gallo Acoustic, Acoustic Energy AE-1's, Triangle Titus 200, Elac, Definitive Technology, Avant Garde, Linn Ninka's, and a few low-fi brands. The Triangle and Avant Garde brands are worth auditioning. I can't say for sure that I would switch from the Vandys even if money were no object. Eventually, yes, there are some great speakers out there that I would like to own. However, the 3A sigs are fantastic all-around speakers that aren't too fussy about cables and electronics. Ease of ownership is important to me.

Overall, it is difficult to find a full range speaker with the performance of the 3A's especially at their price point. Leaving wood cabinets off the speaker helps to dramatically reduce their cost. Although this is an overused phrase, the 3A's do sound as good or better than many speakers costing 2 or 3 times as much. My system is modest, so I have a long way to go to really tap into the sonic potential of these speakers.

If you have the room and want a high performance full range speaker, you should listen to the 3A's

Associated gear
Two channel Preamp - Adcom GFP-750
Surround processor - Rotel 965
Amp - Rotel 985 MK11
CD - AMC CDM7 with tube DAC

Similar products
B&W 801's (originals), EPOS ES14, B&W Nautilus 805, 803, 801, Dynaudio Contour 3.0, Audio Physic Tempo and Virgo, Totem Forrest.
fsabella
panhead
2 posts
 
I owned the Vandersteen 3A Signatures for 2 years and played them with good equipment. I agree with the earlier reviews that they are probably the best buy under $4,000. The speakers sounded best when biwired in my setup. They like lots of clean power. I found the imaging to be very good, the mids to be sweet and true to the recording, the highs to be somewhat subdued but pleasant, and the bass to be slow and lacking when placed more than 24" away from the rear wall. They sound good at low to mid volume but not very good at higher volume. They do not distort or become harsh at upper volume but the music becomes muddy. The clear distinction in instruments, which is present at low to mid volumes, blends as the sound level increases. That said, they are wife friendly and do nothing terribly wrong. Richard Vandersteen is an approachable and friendly man who is very dedicated to the quality of his products. Like the 2ce before it, the 3a sig is a great buy for the money.
My setup with the 3a Sig:
Wadia 861
Audio Research Ref. 2
Mark Levinson 332
Transparent Ultra cables
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tomic601
12,754 posts
 
We have been living w/3a-sig's for about 6 months now and I agree with most of what has been said, esp hi value. The money is spent on stuff that impacts sound quality: drivers, xover and cabinet + overall high level of engineering, not on exotic veneer. I listen to a wide range of music and find spare accoustic to Jazz. Recordings that are well done and that include spatial info sound great. Very natural and at ease esp at low to mid levels. Less than stellar recording work is obvious. Setup is slow but worthwhile. Sound Anchor stands are a must. I am using AudioQuest type 6 (or maybe it's 4?)in bi-wire and Cardas for line level. System: Mac Attack: C-15, MC-202, MC-240 (1961!) and MCD-205...all bullet-proof, remote controllable and frankly fairly neutral:)I am just returning from 15 years away from audio: last system I owned, and this will date me: CJ-Prem 2, SOTA w/ET arm, Dynavector ruby, CJ MV45a's, stacked Quad 57's... The new system gives up something in mid sweetness...but memory is a fickle thing...like those of old girlfriends...Also I agree with input on Richard V, long ago I sold his stuff and he is a neat guy. Finally 1b's have to be the absolute best value ever in speakers:)
aoljer
7 posts
 
I read most of your comments. Do yourself a favor & listen to the vandees 3 sig. with tubes. This is pure musicality indeed. I was thinking about buying them. But I opted for ththe Maggies 1.6. Listen to these sometimes. The vandee is a good speaker but the midrange needs tubes.What do you think? aoljer
fsabella OP
7 posts
 
I have heard the 3A's with Audio Research tube gear. They sound very good with these electronics - I just cannot afford the stuff.

I did sell a few pieces recently and bought a Lexicon MC1 preamp/processor. Used MC1 prices have dropped like a stone since Lexicon implemented their trade in program, and an MC1 can be bought for $1300 - 1400 (originally $6000). My local deal gave me a great deal and sold me a demo unit with full warranty.

I mention this only because I am using the MC1 as my 2 channel preamp now. Although not as warm or involving as my Adcom GFP-750, the MC1 does produce "audiophile" sound, and is superior to the Adcom in midrange detail and high frequency extension. I have to say that the 3A's have a dramatically different sonic character with the MC1 - very airy and open - extraordinary detail in the midrange. The highs are much more detailed and extended - and very smooth.

I guess my point here is that the Vandy's really benefit from high quality electronics, and don't, in themselves, necessarliy present a warm tonal structure. I can't say that I want to use the MC1, long term, as my two channel preamp, but is does create a much leaner sound in the Vandy's.
envno1-4d64
1 posts
 
Aniticipation can be a torment, especially if patience is not one of your virtues. I had made a trade for the Vandy 3a's. I don't know what was lacking in my system at the time and I don't know what the Vany hype was or is all about. It was probably the most disappointing trade that I have made. Flat lifeless sound with boomy bass! I moved the speakers in several hundred spots hoping to resolve the problem but it was to no avail. Sometimes systems are just not compatible and this appeared to be one of those times. At the time I had an Aragon 4004MKII, Audio Research LS15, and Meridian 588 cd player. I used Transparent Wave Super bi-wire. A modest system but good enough to have the ability to produce good results. The end result was the Vandy's had to go! I still don't know what the problem was but like I said it was one of my most disappointing trades.
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