Recent sound deterioration shrillness, ringing

Broadstone...I've been following your dilemma on some of
your other posts.

Why can't you hook up your sub via the high level inputs
and use your amp to connect it? You just parallel the
speaker wires coming out of the amp. Or you could even
run a set of speaker cables from the speakers to the sub,
if that's easier. If your sub has both high level inputs and
then outputs to the speakers, that would be even better.

That would be the solution, unless I'm missing
something?

What kind of sub do you have? Make and model.

Jim (Broadstone), how have you been connecting the sub to the Behringer? If by any chance you have been using an XLR-to-RCA adapter or adapter cable at an output of the Behringer, most such adapters short the inverted signal on XLR pin 3 to ground (XLR pin 1). The output circuits of some components will not be happy under that condition, and damage could conceivably even result in some cases. (There is no problem using such an adapter at XLR inputs, as you indicated you are doing).

Regarding the possibility of connecting the sub to amplifier outputs, assuming the sub can accept speaker-level inputs, your amp is class D, and apparently uses some version of the ICEPower class D modules. Some ICEPower versions have large DC voltages on both their + and - output terminals. I would therefore not connect a powered sub to the outputs of your amp without first getting an ok from Peachtree. Or if Peachtree indicates that the 220 has that kind of an output, using specialized adapters that have been available which utilize capacitors to block the DC.

Best regards,
-- Al

Al...thanks as usual for your insight. I always learn so much from your posts.

I have a comment and a couple of questions that I hope you can answer.

I find it hard to believe that in this day and age that a manufacturer such as Peachtree would sell a product that could potentially damage another unit. I bet there are a lot of consumers who hook up a sub using the speaker (high) level inputs.

If the amp did emit DC, wouldn't the speakers them selves be damaged? The sub he is using is a Polk Audio Micropro 4000 that has just a high level input, but no output to the speakers, (it also has a low level, but we're talking high level). I realize that the sub is powered, but wouldn't the voicecoil and/or crossover in the speakers react the same way as the sub would with DC present?

Seems to me this would be a really bad thing for Peachtree, (or any company) to produce.

Thanks, Mofi. And your questions are good ones. BTW, I myself learned about this issue with certain ICEPower class D modules (which as I indicated may or may not pertain to the Peachtree 220) just a few months ago in this thread.

A passive speaker won't care about the DC, because to a very close approximation it is present equally on the + and - terminals, and thus it will not cause any current to flow in the speaker. However a powered sub will typically connect its negative input terminal to its circuit ground, which will typically be connected to its AC safety ground through a low impedance, which in turn will be connected to the amplifier's AC safety ground through the AC wiring, which in turn may result in a near short being applied to the large DC voltage on the amp's negative output terminal. The result potentially including damage to the sub, the amp, and the listener's ears.

Also, connecting the sub's negative input terminal to a ground point on the amp, as is often done when connecting powered subs to amps having balanced or bridged outputs (i.e., amps having signals on both their + and - output terminals), would not be a solution in this case because with the sub's - input terminal being at zero volts the sub would then be subjected to the huge DC voltage on the + terminal.

My understanding is that those ICEPower modules were used by a significant number of different amplifier manufacturers. As indicated in the thread I linked to, adapters incorporating capacitors to block the DC were and perhaps still are available for connection of powered subs to those amps.

Best regards,
-- Al

Al..thank you for the link to that post and for the additional info. I was absolutely unaware of that potential problem with Class D amps!?!

Being in the high end audio business for as long as I was, I have personally seen, several times, what DC present at either the preamp or amplifier can do. All of those instances could be traced to faulty equipment. But to make gear that could cause that right out of the box is just...stupid :-)

Thanks again for your insight!!!