Avantgarde..... Still a contender???


I am thinking seriously about a drastic change in my system.... I am becoming very intrigued with the idea of high efficiency horn speakers and low-powered tube amps. If you look at "My system" you can see that this is a big change from my current set-up. The trouble is I haven't heard many horn designs (but so far really like what I have heard) and wonder if the Avantgardes are still thought of to be state of the art. Can I do better (for less money)? Any input from you SET guy's is very much appreciated. There just aren't very many (any) dealers doing horns in my area so I need some help on this one.

Other issues are:
1. Is my room large enough (21x15x11)?
2. What would be a good amp to start with (without
breaking the bank)?
3. Is there a good low-powered amp that is balanced? Or,
is single ended REALLY the way to go? (the rest of my system is balanced, and I'd love to keep it this way)

OK enough for now.

Thanks

Chris
cmo
I agree with Tubes108. I own a pair of Duos in the UK (the version before the brand new omega drivers) and had them set up in my home by the UK distributor, Graham Tricker from GT Audio, as part of the after sales service. I run mine with Quad IIs, a Tron Meteor tube preamp (you gotta listen to the new model the Syren) and a Platine Verdier/Schroeder Model 2/Allaerts MC1B. My room is larger than yours, and the Duos sound stunning. They disappear and the soundstaging is believable (ie relatively broad images like the real thing, not hi-fi pinpoint images) and the dynamics are fantastic. Listening to some LPs eg the Speakers Corner Ella Fitzgerald Songbook reissues, you really feel as if you're there in the room - wonderful.
If you buy them, you could do no worse than run them off an old pair of Quad IIs - they're cheap and importantly QUIET enough. Sure if you have enough money an excellent 300B SET or PX25 would be great, but you can start really cheaply.
Charlie
PS I know it's normally hot in TX, but I was in San Antonio ten days ago -whoa 28F without the wind chill!!
Chris, I owned ML SL3 for several years and Apogees before that. So, you know I like planars! Anyway, I made a change to an set amp are high eff speakers this year and I'm having a great time listening to music. Your room is similar to mine in general dimension, and I too used tubes on my MLs so we have some similarities there.

I still like the way the MLs sound, and maybe if I can have 2 systems they will be one of them. For one, the MLs present a much taller, deeper stage than non-linesource speakers. But I wanted to try out the set/high eff thang, and so my journey changed direction...

To answer your question, I don't know if you can do better for the money than AGs. The AGs have alot going for them including high eff and built in powered subs. They can be super tough to get seamless sound out of. But, I know it can be done as I've heard them at many shows and at one person's home. If you want a world class system that can do it all, the AG may be just the ticket. Heck, I almost got a pair--believe it or not, my wife liked the way red Unos looked on the website--did I marry right or what?!

Despite this, I went more simple and got Cain & Cain single BENs. They are a different speaker with different priorities. When you get a set amp you have so many choices of system flavors and objectives. As Phil notes above, the Zu is a compelling choice. For one, you get the single driver approach without bass sacrifice. To me, the benefits of set amp design alone are worth changing from push pull. Add in the benefit of going single driver (or "augmented" as is Zu & Cain) and you are really onto something!

As for amps, there are lots of choices. Will depend on speaker to a certain extent. The AGs are supposed to like Audiopax. There are lots of options now--heck, I built a kit!

Enjoy your journey.
I have never posted before here and must say that I own the AG Trios and lived with a pair Duo's for a number of weeks.
I really enjoy these speakers and the amps really make a difference. I have had Wavelength XS 300b,Venus 45's Lamm ML2'S and now Audiopax 88's on these speakers. It is amazing how revealing the speakers are to upstream changes.These speakers CAN sound warm with the right gear in front.As far as bass intergration,as with any speaker it takes a little time to get it right. In the past I have owned Genesis 201's,Wilson Watt/Puppy 5.1 and 6's,Martin Logan Quests years ago, Thiel,
B&W 801 III'S, Duntech, Sonus Faber Extrema and more.And I always was wanting for something more in my system.The reason I state this evolution in my system is because I am very happy where I am now. There has been many years of costant playing with the gear. I feel no need to go look at speakers. The Duo's do alot of what the Trio's do but have a leaner presentation. This hobby is all about what works for you and what your idea of music is all about.It's like checking out a live show in a good venue and realizing how far we really are from that in the home!
Hope you enjoy the hunt.
Dave
I second Lukestr. I have had Sound Lab A-1's, Quad 63 and numerous box speakers. Never has a speaker changed my enjoyment of recorded music like my Trios. They should call Horn speakers "Dynamic" speakers because that is what they do to music. They put the dynamics back in both micro and macro. To me without the dynamics music seems like a 2 dimensional picture and planar speakers can paint the most vivid 2D picture of all. Super high resolution like the finest camera can take but loss of the dynamics. I'd much rather accept some distortion in that picture to be able to see it in 3 dimensions. It's like taking a picture out your window and comparing it to looking through the window. Even if the window is slightly dirty the 3D view is better than the 2D view with the window open.
The dynamics of music are the wow factor yet some people are willing to give that up for tonal accuracy. We each have to pick what turns us on. I only wish I had checked out horns 25 years ago.