High end vs internet


My local dealer tells me that the internet has killed
high end sales.I would like to hear everybodys opinion
about this(including dealers)!
taters
This is a touchy subject, and as a manufacturer very important one to our company. I think the internet and sites like audiogon have increased high end audio. It increases awareness and education in high end audio--both very good for the industry as a whole. It is clear it has changed business and allowed users to find "bargains" be it new or used. If I can stereotype dealers there are really three types (of course one dealer may employ multiple types within their business strategy).

One is the mail order/ internet company that strongly pursues these types of sales. The service is from afar so it not as time consuming as going to someone's house and setting up a system. It also doesn't have the overhead of a first rate showroom. Thus this is less expensive and as a result they can pass the savings on to the customer.

Then there are the traditional brick and morter shops that have high end gear on display, expect people to listen and then buy. Many of these shops have really suffered from the internet. I think largely due to the fact that someone will go to their showroom, listen, decide what they like and then try to cut a better deal through the internet. To me this is really unethical to take a salesperson's time and basically "use" the facility as a testing ground with no intentions of buying from a place that has to sell at margins to support their sales force and building. This has been discussed in previous threads, so I won't beat a dead horse.

The third is what I call the "CEDIA" dealer. These dealers may or may not have a showroom. They are generally small but offer customer and installation services that can make a complex HT and music around the house easy enough for the whole family to use. These may or may not be high end dealers, but more and more often they are. As an example, Madrigal, has made the statement CEDIA is our show--it's no longer CES. That's a pretty strong statement from a high end manufacturer that has hundreds of brick and morter outlets and certainly let's you know what they think the longevity of the traditional brick and morter is.

I believe the traditional brick and morter has to diversify into one of the other two segments in order to remain profitable and stay in business. They either need to set themselves apart with customer service that is exceptional in their area or they need to get into the internet/mail order business. (It's even possible to do both--but I think that's a difficult business model).

Specific to our company is a variety of services and components sold through a dealer network. All of these require the presence of the dealer in the customer's home to either calibrate the device or take acoustical and physical measurements of the customer's listening room. Therefore an internet/mail order type dealer does us little or no good. They do not provide value to us, nor to our customers. We do have a variety of dealers that are the CEDIA type and the brick and morter. A few of our dealers do pursue internet sales, but not with our products and services because it's impossible for them to meet the requirements of installation and acoustical measurement.
I'm sidestepping the question, but just want to say that I have *never* had an all-around completely satisfactory experience in any shop. Some have been tolerable-to-okay, but none excellent. To one degree or another, all assistance I have ever received from even the most otherwise-pleasant shop salespeople and owners has suffered from a combination of ignorance, arrogance, and a placing of higher priority on *telling* the customer whatever their agenda might be, rather than *listening* to what the customer says first. Even with the least offending of them, I have always had to consciously maneuver around their shortcomings as salespeople in these areas in order to get what I want out of the encounter.
Tok20000,I disagree with your logic.For most of those who pay 30k for a piece there is no big difference whether to pay 20k or 30k;in fact,sometimes 30k is even better.Business people know it and make more money.I salute them, but these things do force me to think about the money flow in our society.
Taters, I think your dealer meant to say the internet has killed *HIS* high end sales. The internet has allowed for a more democratic high end, where consumers have choices beyond the retailers carried lines. The internet has helped chip away at the collusion that promoted price fixing. If more dealers actually provided the service they purport to, they would have little to worry about. Brick and mortar retailers should have an advantage. One can simply walk into a shop (preferably with an appointment) and hear quite a few carefully set up systems in a realively short period of time to determine their preferences and make their individual value judgements. To rotate online merchandise til one finds an appropriate "system" could be exhaustive and indirectly expensive. Of course the dealer needs to understand that his listening room is not the customers and be willing to make adjustments on the customers behalf as needed. Customers of course have to respect the inherent cost of this service and support the dealers. If at any point one realizes that one is definitley not going to do the business at hand with a dealer, that individual should have the courtsey to excuse themselves. Customers who waste the time of dealers only to purchase elsewhere are just wrong.
Hey Y'all,

foreverhifi2000, I admire the dedication and passion you obviously bring to your profession. But not everyone in hi-end retail offers the same intensity as you do when it comes to customer service. I've been into audio, albeit as a consumer only, for 28 years and my experience, with most retailers, was almost enough to chase me into another hobby. Please, don't get me wrong, I've come across some very nice and helpful people in retail. But for the most part there has been condescension, pomposity, disregard and much to much ego for one to have to put up with. That is why I include finding Audiogon in my nightly prayers. In just the last 2.5 years, I've learned more and met some of the nicest people, both grunts and sales people, then I had ever before. AND I have been able to put together a system that I would have never imagined before. You do have a point, if the retailer offers everything that you mention, there should be no threat and thus no worries. I feel that the internet and used sales are only effecting the retailers that do not offer the same things that you so strongly point out as being THE most important things they can offer the consumer, an excellent buying experience and great customer service.......John