The Miller Carbon Story


Had a real nice conversation this morning with Origin Live’s Mark Baker. Mark makes some of the very best turntables on the planet and I was interested to learn more. This was our first conversation and so he was interested in me as well. This reminded me of others who have asked.   

The following story is only superficially about the Miller Carbon. The larger and I would say more important subtext is you can do it too! Please dear reader note the number of times something was tried not knowing whether or not it would work. Like all things in life: The more things you try and the more effort you put into it the better you get at it.


The Miller Carbon Story

My first turntable was a Technics SL-1700 with Stanton 681-EEE. It was 1976. Still have that turntable, anyone can see it, right there on my system page.  https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367. Rack on the right. Bottom shelf.  

Next, after college, came the Listening Room and with it a new turntable. This was way before the internet. All we had was Stereophile On Dead Tree. After reading all the reviews it came down to a VPI package or Basis/Graham. What to do? Cast your mind back, way back, to the primitive past. I faxed my question to Stereophile.  

Michael Fremer called me back!   

The Basis/Graham was my own decision. Fremer didn’t talk me into anything. Quite the opposite. He was a source of much useful information that helped me make up my own mind. So it was that I learned early on from Michael Fremer what it is that a reviewer really is supposed to do: provide the reader with the information they need to make their own informed decision.  

My first high end mod was to remove the cheap rubber power cord from the Basis motor and replace it with an inexpensive power cord. Cheap, but proven to be better than all the freebie PCs and I wanted to find out if it made any difference on a turntable motor.  

It did! Same exact improvements heard on the other components it had been tried on before. How or why, who knows, but I heard it. Other mods followed. Different belt materials were used. Silk, cotton, floss. Each had its own influence on the sound. Fascinating!  

This was all part of the process of investigating turntable performance in order to upgrade. Easy to read about different materials, mass, motors, bearings- but what does it all mean in the real world? This was my way of figuring it out for myself.  

Teres Audio seemed to be the value leader. A complete turntable was too expensive, but the motor could be added to the Basis with only a slight modification for the speed sensor. When this worked out extremely well it gave me the confidence to go for the platter and bearing.  

But what about the plinth? Around this time I was working with DJ Casser and his Black Diamond Racing Shelf. His Shelf material was so much more effective than acrylic, it had to make a better plinth too. After a good deal more planning a BDR Source Shelf was cut into a unique sort of egg shape. Another piece was cut 4” diameter, drilled and tapped to be used as the nut to hold the bearing. Two more pieces about 3 inches in diameter were cut and stacked to make the tone arm mount. Three Round Things with Cones were screwed into the bottom of the plinth. The Miller Carbon was born. http://www.teresaudio.com/fame/40.html



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Showing 7 responses by rauliruegas

Dear @middlemass : " So if we can’t "prove" something, it doesn’t exist. ""

You are even smarter than the " smart " mc but even that and talking of what the " marter " mc posted:

" digital is noise ", well according your " great logic " as the smarter and you can’t prove it confirm that noise does not exist and is an untrue statement. Got it?

Both of you make my day, try to follow that way: smarter.

Btw, how is that been you so smarter can't turn a Dynavector into a Grado cartridge?  Maybe mc can help you due that his TT mmakes " quite good sound ". Go figure a TT that makes sound. Ovbiously following your logic.

R.
@millercarbon :   "" Digital is noise. Analog is music. If ...,  ""

that's what you posted and I posted this about:

""Fortunatelly only a subjective opinion with no true and real foundation/facts that can prove in any way    "

and answered my post trying to be to smart/wise, that you certainly are not, in this manner:

"""  That is just your opinion without any true real foundation/facts that can prove it in any way.  ""

It was you ( not me ) who first posted: "  Digital is noise. Analog is music..."""

So prove it with facts/true foundation and please not try to be " smart " or answer with one of your " tales ".

R.
Dear @millercarbon : ""  Digital is noise. Analog is music. If ..., why can’t audiophiles? ""

Fortunatelly only a subjective opinion with no true and real foundation/facts that can prove in any way that " ridiculous " ( for say the least. ) statement and remember that even that you read in more than one Agon thread posts the explanation that your ears has an ADC for the " brain " can comunicates what we are perceiving through the ears you still do don't understand it.

R.
Dear @njkrebs  : ""   if you need to read through previous posts of what people wrote...""

Some times could be good  to know or " figure " out something of what is posted by a gentleman trying to understand his post reason to posted.

I did it with your " rethorical " post. 

Btw, normally always exist " opportunities " to make up-grades in an audio room/system with out spend money but only our time, some examples: changing the cartridge alignment ( overhang/offset angle. ), time to time check/fine tune the VTF/VTA due that cartridge suspension over playing hours has a kind of low degradation that could affects those cartridge set up parameters, small speaker position changes or even our seat position and many other tweaks we have on hand. The ones that could help the more are the system transducers links changes/fine tune.

As you I'm satisfied with my system.

R.
Dearb @mglik  : ""  For me, even an entry level TT rig surpasses digital : ""

I respect your subjective opinion where no one can argue against it.

Can I ask your non-subjective facts/true foundation for that personal opinion ?


R.
Dear @millercarbon :  "" 
There must be a reason why people play vinyl.

There is. It's called music.   ""

Wit all respect not a wise answer even a wrong one reason because MUSIC is the name of the game it does not matters the medium: analog, digital, in a walkman or in your home system.

R.
Dear @njkreb :  "  I’m just not sure what would constitute an upgrade. "

Weird because in other thread you gave this advise talking of audio room/system:

"" tweak it over time ""

Normally we make a time to time tweak to our audio room/systems and that " tweak " is to find out some kind of improvement that can gives us a better quality listening enjoyment music sessions.
Of course that some times that " tweak " just does not works.

Any MUSIC lover as many of us can enjoy MUSIC listening through a FM station in a tunner " every where " we are.
MUSIC per sé is an art and as an art  wake up human been feelings/emotions and some of us through those tweaks try to achieve a greater enjoyment times.


Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.