Thanks for the encouraging words arichison. They seem like a lot of speaker for the money. I now am going to be looking for a used dac hopefully under 1k. I would welcome any suggestions there. Oh and get some kind of gliders, maybe herbies since the dam things weigh 145lbs.
Speaker suggestions under 4k
Well here it is. I sold my Tekton Double Impacts and my Lyngdorf 2170 a while back. I thought it sounded very good! I was getting out of audio and wasn't listening much anymore. Well..... now winter is here, I'm bored and have the itch to get something descent again.
I like rock/metal/bluegrass/ acoustic/ some country. I need impact and good midbass and low fatigue. I have a Crown DCI 4/300 and a upgraded Jolida Fusion preamp at the moment. Plenty of power for almost anything.
My biggest pet peeve is cabinets that start talking at high levels or when the sound hardens at high levels.
Willing to drive up to 300miles 1 way for the right deal and I am in West Mi. A little older does not bother me at all. I've just started looking and a few I've been eying are:
Aerial LR5 or Model 9
Dali MS4
LSA 20 statements (new)
KEF 205/2
Dynaudio Focus 360
Any others anyone feels I should keep an eye out for in this price range?
Thanks
I like rock/metal/bluegrass/ acoustic/ some country. I need impact and good midbass and low fatigue. I have a Crown DCI 4/300 and a upgraded Jolida Fusion preamp at the moment. Plenty of power for almost anything.
My biggest pet peeve is cabinets that start talking at high levels or when the sound hardens at high levels.
Willing to drive up to 300miles 1 way for the right deal and I am in West Mi. A little older does not bother me at all. I've just started looking and a few I've been eying are:
Aerial LR5 or Model 9
Dali MS4
LSA 20 statements (new)
KEF 205/2
Dynaudio Focus 360
Any others anyone feels I should keep an eye out for in this price range?
Thanks
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I would rather keep the amp and pre. The DCI amps are better than the XLS Crowns. Very clean and powerful. I've had other class d amps in the past and the Crown is better than the highly touted Lyngdorf IMO... that is until you turn on room correction. Even then it has major authority advantage. JBL actually reccomends the DCI series for their high priced Synthesis line. Some good suggestions. I'm looking into them. |
I will back up on the Tekton subject. Loud volumes I thought they hardened up some. Lost coherence. Pretty damn loud mind you. I thought this was my room and very well could have been. I've other speakers in there since and I don't really get that sensation. Something like the Pioneer S1 reccomended earlier would have a much more heroic cabinet so may keep in check at higher levels better. If those were closer I would probably give them a go. |
Slept on it for the night and hit the send button this morning on the S1s. Worked out a descent deal for both of us I believe. If my electronics do not do them justice I will certainly look to upgrade slowly. I do think the Crown DCI would surprise a lot of folks though. Probably a stupid question....... Will a speaker that has dual binding posts for bi-wire also work for bi-amping? |
@rushfan I had the DIs for a couple years and liked them very much. I wouldn't say I gave up on them and the Moabs were in the running on this purchase. @audio-b-dog I had Goldenear Triton Ones before the DIs. Liked them a lot, liked the DIs more. I would love to hear the Reference. @gkr70067I find the DCI Crowns very clean and powerful. Also from all accounts the Pioneers like high power so I will bi amp for a total of 600w channel. If it does not sound great I will look at replacing. I may try and borrow a more upscale amp to try out for a shootout. Won't arrive till the 15th!! Damn.. hate waiting. |
The speakers were delivered yesterday along with my new RME ADI-2 DAC. First impressions are very favorable. Very neutral and organic. Stayed up way too late last night listening. I am paying for that somewhat today. Thinking I'm gonna be slacking at work today as my office is in the same room. The finish if veneer but glossy. What would be the best way to clean it? |
I have lived with the Pioneers for 5-6 days and could not be more pleased. They are fantastic and I feel a huge bang for the buck for what I paid for them. They do excite my room more than I had anticipated. I got some bass traps set up correctly a few days ago and that basically knocked out the problem completely. Ceiling and wall treatment is next. @howaboutthat41, Thanks again for the heads up! |
Room is 13x19. Half the room where I sit I have 7ft ceilings,the other other half is 9 ft with open rafters. Bass traps in al corners 4in thick. Couple owens 703 panels on the walls at reflections points. 1 2.5inthick 703 hanging from the ceiling between the speakers. Ohh and some 2 in 703s on the drywall from the drop down transition from rafters to drywall. There is a Odyssey Stratos Extreme for sale locally I've been eyeballing but I think he wants too much and is not negotiable. I am however considering other amps than the crown. I'm not convinced it is the problem however, I will keep it and compare when I buy a nice AB amp. The Pioneers do not have the resonance the Tektons had at high volumes. I have been playing with positioning for best results as well. |
Thanks, I have been eyeing Parasound A21. Seems to get great reviews, plenty of power and has variable gain so I can get it just right to run DAC direct. I will look into these others you mentioned as well. Also still looking at Odyssey Stratos Extreme but even though I love their sound the 2 I have had were a little noisy so that scares me away a bit. |
Bought a descent class ab amp today to compare with the Crown dci. Its an Aragon 2002 in great shape. Price too good to pass up to at least try it out. According to the owner it has upgraded input caps and is biased to factory specs. Wanted to see if some descent AB sounds better than the Crown before I spend 2kish on something like the Parasound Halo. Just warming up so we shall see. So far the Crown is definitely more detailed and powerful sounding but I'll give it a bit. |
Ok Aragon is better than the Crown after warmed up although the Crown may do some things better. A little more detailed I would say. Highs are better on the Aragon and flow is better. Bouncy little amp. Surprisingly good bass slam. I feel more relaxed listening to the Aragon for sure. So yeah you guys were right.... get rid of the Crown. I will end with I dont think its a bad amplifer and it is for sure better than the cheaper XLS Crowns. Anyone in West to Central MI thinking of selling a Parasound A21 or similar hit me up as I may be interested. |
Ok the hardness at very high volumes was not a incoming power issue, speaker issue, or room issue. It was an amplifier power and probably voicing issue. I can can play to any volume level and it sounds superb to my ears with no hardness whatsoever. Really exceeded my expectations to be honest. This combo is the best sound I've had in my room no doubt. |