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I don’t think that anyone’s comments here are going to change a single poster’s mind on anything.

Even though we, as individuals, would like it to. No matter where we be coming from. That we all, individually, are trying to do our best, in what we feel is integrity and some semblance of humane thinking and caring, with the information we individually have, or think we have. The key bit. Think we have.

The longer a problem exists, the more fundamental the errors in the formulation of the question. And this problem has been standing for 30 years in it’s current form (1992), 70 years in it’s longer form (1945) and hundreds of years in it’s long tailed detailed form (1776, etc). It can take many paths, though, as it’s threads go all over the world and down multitudes of complex lines. A hundred books, nay, a thousand books could be written - and have been.

Each of us have to ask ourselves what mistakes we’ve made in the formulation of our questions and thus answers to what is in front of us, in this thread.

I have a VERY strong, well researched, well edujmacated opinion on all that is said here in this thread. And can debate anyone here nose to nose and not lose an inch of ground... I’d take yards and yards of ground. For days on end. (ego statement, or simple logic derived fact?) (foolish to say, as people are emotionally reactive?)

But... if no one is listening.. where many would just be angry and reactive and not be doing the the same, in egoless integrity (which is a tall order for anyone!) (ie, research, learn, grow, change) then I’d just get beaten to death by the illiteracy of the crowd. (perhaps we each feel the same)

So, sadly, it’s best to stay home and let the animal aspects of the projections of the given mind get out there and beat each other to death in the streets, as that is where they/we/you/me/us are headed, regardless if I spill my blood on/in it.

Those who are looking at this thread and not posting, tend to have an opinion that resembles that sort of thinking.

We (any of us here) want to share and maybe help and maybe move things forward, but how to address the aspects of people who are deep in their cups of self reinforcement and projection? Am I misinformed? Is it you? Is it all of us?

We’re now at the burning spear end of the illiterate thrusting of the purposely directed and misinformed masses in all areas and regions, and the intellectual debate in integrity and actual facts and true data will happen afterward, IF we can all manage to find one.

teo-audio: wow, your picture should be next to the definition of long winded.

Maybe my middle name should have been ’Verbal’....

I wanted to say something to defend or shoot down roger (whatever floats your boat), but I figure that is a waste of time. So that is what I said. In so many words.....

When people start spitting, using derogatory language, being angry, etc (ie, in this thread), it many times means (not always) they don't have a logic, reality, or fact leg to stand on.

We’re past the argument stage now, methinks.

All hands on deck for the one purpose:

The prevention of all out global war.

We’ve truly -on the personal level of being humans- run out of sides to take, here.

FYI, if one watches, reads and searches solely via the most ’popular’ search engines (google, Microsoft, etc), or just watches the mainstream media...then you’re probably not (near 100% certainty) getting the real actual news on how dangerous and desperate this moment has become. Western media has been pretty silent on how this is all going, regarding the level of danger and how close things really are.

We’re starting to see that change, in the outbursts from some quarters that are beginning to break from the narrative and overall silence about the level of danger... but it’s no where near enough.

Eg, Mullen, the ex joint chief of staff for the military in the US, during bush II and Obama’s time, is telling Biden to quit the shameful game that is being played out and get to the negotiations table and put this Armageddon rhetoric and actions down. He’s about as worried as it is possible to get.

And that’s a man who would truly know.

Actually his opinions is are not unpopular, otherwise there would be zero people at his shows.

With regard to him not having them in Poland, that was not his decision, that is not why they were cancelled.

As for the ’everybody go home, nothing to see here’ statement about alternative news sources, that’s just arm waving with empty projections.

The lame-stream media, as it is more properly known, is monolithic in it’s positon which means it is psychotically aligned and lock step with politics which is literally impossible in a real world and world of free press (see the history of your own US media for that) unless the situation is fascist and moving in on true totalitarianism.

The attacks on waters here, all while pretending to be humane and easy going... are getting into real scary areas of being misinformed, and a desperation to hold onto a world position, that is in the final stages of complete dismemberment. One where it is about to talk and walk itself off a cliff.

Where it is doing everything in it’s power to take the rest of us with it, through it’s desires for total control of the situation and the desire to get exactly what it wants.

I for one, quite correctly strongly disagree with that position and I stand against it, again, quite correctly - with all the force my life can muster.

I’m not American and I don’t suffer the deeply misinformed outsized stuffed chest Stockholm syndrome I see here in this thread.

The petrodollar is now the walking dead.. and you better figure that out fast, as that thing is getting world threateningly dangerous in it’s death throes.

the Cuban missile crisis was no where near as critical and dangerous as this situation is now.

Yet, americans are going about their lives as if nothing is going on, as the media and the politics are not letting them know how desperate things are.

Why is that? Why would one’s own politicians, corporate media, and military not let the people know what is really going on, and how dangerous what they are doing -- really is?

If one is reading this post and is angry with me on some level (apologies, I care about you and your children, that's why I'm speaking), well, I expect that within two weeks your position on all of this will change in some way, possibly in a fundamental way. That is, if we manage to last two weeks without a major incident..

ie, France is on the verge of giving up entirely on the G7 (massive protests have begun), Bulgaria has given up on it or is in the process of giving up on sanctions, and there’s more. Much much more.

The kind of stuff that US mainstream media is not going to ever cover. Europe is not really interested, any more, in being that college kid on the escalator in total recall, for the us controlled NATO. But don’t worry, your media will spin it into looking like something else.