Ownership and Review of a pair of Ohm Super Sound Cylinder


Greetings all - I recently ordered a pair of Ohm Super Sound Cylinder speakers, or SSC-4900's. They are in the middle of the Ohm Walsh lineup, and are about 38 inches tall and the cylinder cabinets about 12.5 inches in diameter.

Specs are listed at 88 dB for a 2.8 V input, and a response curve of +/- 3 dB from 25 to 20,000 Hz. 

This whole process is part of a "high end, high value, USA made two channel system" thread I started a couple of months ago on another forum. The electronics are the PS Audio Stellar Gain Pre-amp/DAC and a pair of PS Audio M700 mono amps.

The PS Audio equipment has already elevated the Axiom M100's and Martin Logan Electro Motion ESL speakers in terms of performance. The Axioms have a "twin" available in Brick and Mortar outlets from Bryston called the A1's. 

For reference, other speakers which we have or still have in house include: Klipsch LaScala II's, Legacy Signature SE's, Infinity IRS Sigmas, Ascend Sierras, PSB Strata Goldi, VMPS Super Towers and a host of other speakers. 

The Ohm Walsh speakers have been something about which I have read since 1977 (the year I got the audio bug), but have never had the chance to experience. The SSC-4900's sell for $4900 per pair, though the name and pricing are coincidental. The "4900" is due to the idea that the speakers are "almost a 5000", but with less controls - one switch vs. 4 for the 5000, but also a lower price.

John Strohbeen, who is he president at Ohm and who has been with them for almost 40 years, was gracious enough to spend an hour talking on the phone about our room, the associated gear, and also that there would be a review thread. It was after this discussion that we decided on the SSC-4900's. 

I am purchasing the speakers, not getting a review pair. They are under the 120 day return policy. John is well aware that my daughter sings opera, my son is adept at classical guitar, and that live music is the reference. He was actually quite pleased about this. 

This will be fun (at least for me), and hopefully informative. Comments are welcome. 

I honestly have no idea what to expect from the Walsh sound. They are so different from other speaker designs that the only thing to do is set them up properly and hear what happens! 
craigsub

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Take this from an Ohm fan, I doubt the drivers are made in-house.  The "secret sauce" is in how the drivers are modified, loaded and positioned to both load the cabinet for bass extension and provide the bending wave effect that the original Walsh driver made famous.  Also, FWIW, I seem to recall hearing that the drivers were not all the same material.  For instance, my 2000s, which, I believe, use an 8" main driver, is actually made of aluminum, according to something I read on line (never asked Ohm about this; I don't really care).  There is nothing metalic about the sound, though.  That said, I have log wondered what my Ohms would sound like with a folded ribbon tweeter, since I like the way those Heil tweeters sound so much.  But again, Ohms are built to a price point, and very reasonable one at that.  So, I am certainly not complaining.

@audionoobie - I will tell you, but I will also tell you that things aren't good right now, and I don't know why.  I have an Odyssey Audio Stratos HT3 (3 channels), which failed last September.  I sent it in for a repair and upgrade to full Kismet internals.  The amp seems fine, but it no loger plays well with my Vandersteen subwoofers.  I am working with a local dealer on resolving this issue, but it has baffled everyone who I have explained it to.  But prior to the amp failure, I was in hog heaven and listened to music every chance I got. 


My cables are simple Kimber 4PR, which I have always liked, but would eventually like to upgrade.


I am sure Ohm will offer you a demo at their factory.  I know they have a listening room there, although I have never been.  Just call to arrange it (Ohm is better at replying to phone calls than emails).

@roysq - I think John Strohbeen of Ohm is more focused on voicing his speakers to his liking than specifications. 


@snapsc - Agreed.  Speaker design is a bit like making sausage.  Especially in the case of Ohm.  I have not been able to do side-by-side comparisons, but I hear many speakers in the course of each year through attenting shows and my local audio club meetings.  To be clear, there are better speakers, IMHO, than Ohms.  But so far, none of them that I have heard that I would rather own than my 2000s come in at less than about twice the price or more, often much more.  I pride myself on having been able to assemble a modestly priced system that punches way above its price.  I did this with careful listening, a lot of reading, and communicating with other audiophiles, like I do here.  I ended up with a system that has wonderful synergy, and produces sound the way I like it, if not totally neutral.  Now I am having some equipment issues, but I am trying to get everything back up to par.  But the 2000s may well be my last speakers. 

@snapsc - If you look at my review for the 2000s in the reviews section here at Audiogon, I addressed most of your questions. I don’t have a lot of options for positioning my 2000s in my room, so they are where they are. That is about 2.5 to 3 feet away from the side and front walls, and only about 5.5 feet apart. Also, my cieling is only 6 feet high (a basement), which I am sure is not ideal. I can’t really speak to the power requirement issue, as I usually run them with powered subwoofers so that the Ohms roll off, first order, beginning at 80Hz.
@snapsc - That is what most omnis excel at.  Depth is a little more elusive, which I think, comes more with better electronics, room acoustics, speaker positioning and source material.  But height and width?  Both fantastic in my room.  The speakers dissappear into the soundstage on any decent recording.
@mapman - the spookiest depth experience I ever had was on a computer in my attic, which is located at one end of a long narrow attic with slanted cielings.  There was about 5' of space behind my seat, and about 20' behind the desk.  With just an old Sherwood stereo receiver and some old Altec Lansing bookshelf speakers sitting on the desk, I got huge depth, to the point it was startling.  So, there you go.  maybe I will try pulling my Ohms further into the room someday.
@mapman - actually, the attic was pretty dead.  Drywall cieling, but wall-to-wall carpet, and lots of bookshelves packed with books, papers and other bric-a-brac.  Although there was a window at each end of the attic, one behind me and one in front of me.  I would like to have that kind of depth, but I am realistic about what is possible with my modest gear and difficult room.
@audionoobie - Sounds like a plan.  Don't expect a pair Dale Harder speakers for the price of a pair of 1000s, though.  John is a very smart, modest guy.  I met him at an audio show in New York.  Nothing beats the long in-home trial Ohm offers.  You have the same added advantage that I did - if you want to return them, you can throw them in your car and drive them to Brooklyn; no return shipping costs.  But I kept mine.  ALthough, I do have a friend that heard my 2000s, ordered a pair of 1000s, but ended up returning them.  I bet he didn't have them positioned right or something.
Also, @jstrohbeen - Since we have your attention, have you ever played around with folded ribbon tweeters in combination with your Walsh line of speakers?  I have been wondering what such a combo might sound like.
Hi John!  Thanks for sharing these thoughts with us.  Neat little story:  Last night, I had a friend over who owns a B&M audio dealer near me.  I thought he would find all sorts of reasons why I should not have bouoght my Ohm 2000s.  I could not have been more wrong!  I know this guy has access to some incredible (and incredibly expensive) gear and speakers, but he was very kind and complimented me on the sound of modest rig.  He stopped by to help resolve some subwoofer issues I was having, and we made a lot of progress.  After a 6 month hiatus caused by an amplifier failure, I can really enjoy my system again.

@jstrohbeen - Ah! I figured there had to be a reason. Of course, a $700 pair of tweeters, even if they did work well, would skew the price points of the Ohm Walsh line much higher, so, for po’ folks like me, it’s a moot point. I was thinking more along the lines of the cheaper folded ribbons in speakers made by Golden Ear, Martin Logan and even Dayton (Parts Express). But your explanation of why such tweeters failed with the Ohm Walsh design puts the last nail in that coffin, as far as I am concerned.


@snapsc - Dude, even I can tell you the answer to your question! As I often post, I have been happily enjoying my 2000s since late 2009. As I have upgraded my electronics, tweaks and cabling, the 2000s have responded really well, getting better and better. The kicker is that, as a member of my local audio club, I get to hear lots of speakers in a variety of settings, and in a variety of price ranges. So far, without spending at least $12K, there is nothing that I have heard that equals or beats my affordable 2000s. Sure, I can listen to Vandy 7s or Magicos and be very impressed. But then I go home, fire up my own modest rig, and I do not feel like I am missing anything worth mortgaging my house for. Take last night. I was letting my Squeezebox Touch and server pick the tunes on random mode. On came the odd track "Atmospheres" (?) by Ligeti, an atonal mix of vocal sounds, percusive strikes and other sounds. It is an acquired taste, but, oh my, the dynamics!!! Even though this file was from an early 2001: A Space Odyssey CD full of hiss, I was repeatedly startled by the realism of the voices, the attack of the transients (which were never harsh), and the reverb trails of the voices and bells. If your system doesn’t make you jump a few times when you listen to this track, it’s doing it wrong. And all this is through the temporary X-2 crossover unit from Vandersteen for my 2Wq subs, which is not intended to be very transparent, and isn’t. Yes, some of this might be due to my recently upgraded amplifier, but the amp would not have been able to overcome dynamic limitations of the speaker. Listening last night I felt like there were no limitations on the dynamic range of my 2000s whatsoever. Goose-bumps, chills up my spine and a s--- eating grin on my face. What more could I want?

snap - Understood. You say you haven’t heard Ohms in 35 years. I would be happy to invite you in for a demonstration if you’re ever in northern/central New Jersey. I am confident that my current setup shows my 2000s to their full advantage. Although the sound in the Ohm room at the Chester Group show in NYC last November was really good, in many ways, I still prefer my own. And the sound with the 1000s at the same show the year before was not as good as in 2017, IMHO.


But I think you’re asking John to be more of salesman than he really is. IMHO, John lets his designs do the talking, which is why you don’t see too many adverts or professional reviews of Ohm out there. I think most of the pro reviews are from reviewers who opted to publish a review of Ohm speakers, rather than the result of intensive lobbying and ad placement by Ohm. You know, the very first time I heard Ohms, it was at a campus party nearly 40 years ago. A pair of John's dynamic speakers were filling the party with great sound, even though they were just plunked on matress in no particular arrangement. I remember asking about them and being told they were Ohms. That’s how the word gets around for speakers like these, that sort of fly beneath the radar. I am sure this also helps keep prices down, too.

@craigsub - Thanks for the update.  To us Ohm owners, your experience is not at all surprising. 

I also run my Ohms with powered subwoofers, and I am thrilled with this combo.  Obviously, care should be taken to position and blend the sub(s) optimally with your mains.

Don't get me started!  Listening to a good female vocal + acoustic instrument recording on my 2000s can be an almost religious experience.  Suzanne Vega, Ani Difranco, Neko Case, Norah Jones, et. al., just make you stop whatever you're doping and focus on the music.
@craigsub - I don't do dope, or drop anything when listening.  Doing, perhaps?  Checking email, usually.  But I try to set aside a few hours here and there for listening as a destination activity.
@djones  - As a happy 2000 owner for 9 years, I expect you will enjoy your new speakers.  But please let them break in as per Ohm's instructions.  And while they work well with a wide range of electronics, they will respond well to improvements in associated gear.
Having paired my 2000s with a pair of Vandersteen 2Wq subs (with battery-biased crossovers) since I got the Ohm's, I can fully agree with craigsub that adding powered subs to Ohm's, if done properly, takes the Ohms to a whole new level.  Go for it!
@tjj99... If you like this thread, check out the Micro Walsh Talls, Who's Heard Them thread, one of largest here.  Yes, Ohms respond well to gobs of power, no question.  And yes, John and everyone at Ohm are a pleasure to deal with.  My 2000s are probably my last pair of speakers.
I can't help posting:  Some times, my listening sessions seem, um, uninspired.  But then there are nights like last night.  I put together a pretty random playlist on my server.  Nearly every track was just magical.  The capper was "No Way Out" by Peter Gabriel.  Gabriel's albums can be notoriously difficult to reproduce correctly, but if your system can manage it, what can sound muddy and confused on many systems just snaps into focus and makes perfect sense.  Deep, powerful bass, expansive soundstages, and pinpoint imaging all over those soundstages.  Last night, it just clicked into place.  Gabriel's voice was natural, with spot-on transients that were neither too hot nor to recessed.  It was so good, I stopped the playlist at the end of the track, assuming no other track I had programmed could possibly equal this one, and certainly would not equal the emotional connection to the music that kept me riveted to my chair.

And all this from a pair of speakers priced way below what most audiophiles would consider the price range for "serious" loudspeakers. It bears repeating:  John Strohbeen is a master of speaker design and voicing. I only wish his show demos sounded as good as the 2000s do in my system.  

BTW, if you go to the Ohm web site, there is a Youtube link to a cool interview of John done by Steve Guttenburg.
@mapman interestingly, in the Strohbeen/Guttenberg interview, John admits he really doesn't have a system of his own.  He attends live performances regularly.  I think this affects how he voices his speakers.
I have been a 2000 owner since 2009, one of the first pairs sold.  Not for nuthin', as e say in NJ, but the room square footage appropriate for each of the x000 series is posted on the Ohm web site.  The Ohm Walsh x000 series all sound essentially the same, although larger models have deeper extension and higher output.  So, unless you want to move to a larger model, a sub or subs would help with the overall output issue.  Even though my 2000s are appropriate for my room, I run them with a pair of Vandersteen 2Wq subs, crossed over at 80Hz, first order.  I couldn't be happier with the results.
Enjoy, monsterstruck! Interesting that you’re looking at the Marantz NA6006. I heard it recently in a friend’s second, modest system, and I was highly impressed. If it matters, he pointed out that the Marantz is DLNA compliant, but the Bluesound is not.