You are completely right...

You can’t make somebody like something they don’t.

it takes me thirty five years to know why i disliked jazz for the first thirty five years of my life ... ...

😁

And for education , you are wrong though...

Most of the times what we dont like reflect our own ignorance...

It was the case with me at least ... 😊

We must learn how to hear and how to listen not as a child only but even also  as adult... We grow all our life ...

Education all our life ...

if not we will call what we hate a result of "our taste" instead of reflecting our own limitations. and we will make our ignorance appear as a free choice...

@mahgister - you may be right, but what does education have to do with liking or not liking jazz?

As for hating music, I agree - I don’t see the point; people can listen to what they like and avoid what they don’t - it’s not difficult. People like different things, and it’s not necessarily a ’learned’ condition - people are individuals with their own brains and their own tastes. You can’t make somebody like something they don’t.

Hazrat Inayat Khan ~ 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐲𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐬𝐦 𝐨𝐟 𝐒𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐝 ~ Sufism

Astounding simple deep truths ....👳

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw9r7ZTsqWo

Now compare this sayings about sounds and music with the greatest researcher on artificial brain, a deep genius if i know one,( a clue to compare these two gentlemaN : Quantum clock unlike mechanical clock  are like musical instruments ) :

«Dr. Anirban Bandyopadhyay is a materials scientist based in Japan, is world’s leading quantum tunneling researcher, and a leading expert on consciousness from a Vedic as well as quantum neuroscience perspective. He has designed and implemented an artificial brain. He has published and edited over 15 books.

In the classical world we could walk along a path, look at the trees, houses and animals. If there are trenches, we cross them by making bridges, we could even jump. As soon as the world is changed into a Quantum one, the road disappears, only the thin lines remain, where we could run run and run. Except those scary lines, outside we have deep trenches. We cannot jump, cant make bridge, only disappear on one path and reappear on the other. The trees do not appear as a whole, some parts of the tree here and some parts there. My body experiences the same. In this world, we have only one hope, rhythms or time cycles, classical clocks have vanished and given us clocks that allows me to vibrate within and generate many cycles of time, one for one path and the other clock structure for another. This unique kalchakra is the prescription for our journey in the world, its a mode of communication and managing those clocks is the management of survival. This was a Vedic wisdom adopted in the Quantum universe.»

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXd-9B2khpQ

Now it will be a very deep but hard to understand video but it is the work of the Indian genius who the first create an artificial brain on a completely different concept of the brain...

I will let you discover why the music experience go so deep in each of us and help us to synchronize ourself with ourself and with others...

If you want to completely understand this video order the book " nanobrain" written by the speaker here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNKRbujzSok

Why do people hate jazz ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlkhkF3etWo

Rick Beato discuss it and he is himself a pro musician...

What struck me here is that the same question can be ask for classical music or any genre out of the commercial music window ...

Why people hate chinese music ?

Why people hate Persian music ?

Why people hate Indian music ?

It is because liking something is most of the times a LEARNED condition...

As Beato observed, there is more jazz lovers proportionately in Europe and in asia than in North America... The reason is also in my opinion based on the more complete destruction of general education in America...

Most people do not even know how to hear and listen... They dont know how to see ... All this must be learned...

Education is now the brain formating of well trained specialized ignorant robot... it begin long ago by some corporate decision not by collective democratic educated decision ... Read history...The same happened to medecine ...But all that is not in my thread goal to discuss...

I accepted documentary videos  here not political stance, i apologize to you all and to the OP... I know that he is not very patient... 😁

I recommend this unusual book about a legendary movie editor and his ideas about the solar system... Is the solar system more "organized" than we think ?

😁😊

Here an article resuming it all ...

https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/02/24/516985499/a-film-editor-in-the-land-of-astrophysicists

Here a 2 hours interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gPE5TXUJ_c

For those who think that the universe has nothing to do with sound , here two serious articles to read :

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/371724212_A_Single_Field_Model_of_the_Universe

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352564061_Why_Not_a_Sound_Postulate

Sound is no less fundamental than light, and as said St. John : in the beginning is the logos, ( the verb, the sound , the voice )

or in english translation :

"1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

Audiophiles underestimate acoustic.... Physicist too.... Neurologists? But Mystics and poets and musicians  not at all...

Why and how we listen and hear with our whole body :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfkEISl6heI&t=6s

The ecology of listening | Paul Oomen

This is a very short but important lesson about sounds ...

Çifteli: This microtonal instrument changed the way I think about music

Amazing documentary about music and a forgotten instrument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTeSv0SKlGc&t=495s

Wow! this interest me a lot... I dont think that i am alone who will listen to this one...

Thanks...

Found the video about the most complexed instrument

Enjoy https://youtu.be/sowHKXPDAYk?si=Ka5m7AEmUh4gfMJ4

Thanks...  😉

Kenny Vaughan speaking with Otis Gibbs again, this time about Frank Zappa:

 

https://youtu.be/XWKl3qdFDqs?si=d7Y5yS1lB2pvFUny

 

Thanks very much for these very deep videos....<

I am fascinated by Charles Ives and Bach ...😊

Leonard Bernstein, The Unanswered Question lecture (‘Part 1’):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8fHi36dvTdE

Glenn Gould, CBC program discussing Bach and music history plus a performance of Cantata No. 54:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uoz8u7R-aQs

One of the greatest musician i ever listened to and my first cd of Persian music 25 years ago...

Ostad Elahi... A great sufi mystic who was recorded only behind his back without his consent and who never performed any concert...He plays to pray, period...

Watch this documentary :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6p5aXfepEk&t=15s

Music being rythms  muscles under the skin of melody on the timing stairs of harmony I appreciate all drummers...

Thanks for your care ...

This is a good overview of the great drummer Jim Gordon, one of my half-dozen or so favorites.

 

https://youtu.be/HToM-FY_xCc?si=A9pD_eS6aVkSJUzB

 

Thanks for this unusual opinion but where isw the adress ?

What is sound? What is music?

Astral Sounds contains no musical instruments, human voices or sounds of nature, yet it can automatically create feelings of happiness, health and a blissful state of mind. Worries disappear. Pain vanishes. Problems automatically solve themselves. All this and more has been reported by users of Astral Sounds. By listening to Astral Sounds you can experience warm, sensuous vibrations of happiness and well-being any time you want to. This unique 24 minute recording is designed to stimulate a pleasure center in your mind to create physical and mental peace and euphoria... a natural high.

Great recommendations

... Thanks in the name of us all...

Oh! thanks for this one...

One of the most interesting story about sound and music ...

must see at all cost by everyone here...

Not sure if I posted this link correctly but the story is called “Story of deaf audiophile Bob Lichtenberg”.  

«Let your eyes catch the sound then you will finally understand»--Zen master in the opening words of this documentary ...

This documentary is about a completely original composer and multi-instrumentist recoreded with more than 20 albums on ECM...

Stephen Micus...

He sing often in his albums but only in a language he designed to do so and plays all instruments , sometimes not very well known one.... Fascinaqting journey in the core of music by a pilgrim very different than many other musicians...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38yPujHrC4o&t=1031s

Thanks my friend for your recommendation and smile...

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It is better to insert a link if not a small description :

😊

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z9kwEfd3RE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4F0rT0F6OQ

Thanks for the suggestion ...

I learned surprized, i learn slowly that Indian music in his long historical form is not inferior to European classical music or to jazz but different and very complex...

My entry level was with this master revered as one of the gods of Indian classical music...

Enjoy his biography, Ali Akbar Khan :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJKMnWhL1xE

His music :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn8Az-cny9M

Now all you need to know about the greateast acoustic revolution in musical acoustic for audio nevermind if you are with stereo or object based DSP :

Begin by this one video not too long and very clear

by some customer at 3 minutes 40 sec. :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbu78cvfbyI

 Then go with the elephant mouth, Dr. Choueiri himself :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHIzGZ93c_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPmiyOeTUdM&t=2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLrt5QE4ptA&t=70s

To read:

https://www.theoretica.us/press.html

Thanks for your appreciation...

This video interested me a lot because all microphones designer were also headphones designer...But the reverse is not always true... 😊

My best headphone the AKG K340 come from a company that with Neuman let his name in microphone design... I admire a lot the K340 patent of Dr. Gorike one of the AKG founder who designed the K340... He was an applied physicist by formation as were Dr. Choueiri in my above post about BACCH filters...

Microphone is a reverse headphone and/or vice versa... 😁

@mahgister

Nice thread! I really enjoyed the microphone video. Will watch the rest that are posted here when I have time.

Thank you in the name of all of us here...😊

Wayne Shorter:Zero Gravity. Thank me later. 

😉 Thanks ....

I was very impressed by his bio and documentary... I discovered his music 2 years ago... And as you i sense a great soul not only a top guitarist...

Thanks for your story...

Studying with Martino was amazing. We scheduled the lesson for one hour but usually ran it to two. He was very interesting to listen and ask questions of. I taped all our lessons. I went 9 times. In 2017 he played in Denver (where I live) and I went up to him after the show. I was amazed he remembered me. What a lovely soul. A deep soul. RIP.

Wow! Mark me impressed ...😊

One of my best guitarist of jazz...

The "formidable" album is one of my best listening...

How was it with him on a human and artistic level , if you dare to give us your impressions ?

I studied guitar with Pat Martino while he was still living at his parent's house (after his recovery had begun) in 1988-89.

Interesting but i am not sure to understand clearly your point... But your youtube site seems very interesting ... The matter interest me a lot...And you seems to work hard on this matter.. 😊

My best to you...

Why non-audiophiles don't like hi-fi audio sound?

There are natural sounds (human voice, dog barking, baby crying, water flowing, etc.) and unnatural sounds. Human can’t hear a natural and unnatural sounds together simultaneously. If they are presented at the same time, the human ears must choose one of them. Audiophiles can switch back and forth (extremely fast) between natural and unnatural sounds due to years of practice with their audio systems. However, most people (non-audiophiles) ears are almost in natural sound mode.

In below video, if I didn’t say "hello", you could hear both (L & R) speakers fine with automatic audiophile’s ear adjustment. But saying "hello" (natural sound) holds your ears to stay in a natural sound mode and you are hearing what non-audiophiles hear.

The both speakers in videos were same sounding speakers. The right speaker is converted to a natural sound speaker by me. The left speaker is untouched. Almost all speakers (include $million speakers) in the world sound/behave like the left speaker.

Piano (Natural vs. Unnatural sound)

Orchestra (Natural vs. Un-natural sound)

Alex/Wavetouch

Thanks to all ...Thanks for your participation 8th-note...

Interesting choice of alias...

I tought that it will be interesting to propose to all the best documentaries short or long about sounds acoustic , psycho-acoustics, music exceptional videos ...

But not our taste in music first  as in many other threads but first a CONTENT...Nobody care about other musical taste... But we all care about the reason why we love music and good sounds...And the neurophisiology of acoustic perception for example interest me a lot and any exceptional musician life or abilities or survival history ...Or any information about instruments design... Any explanation about not well known styles, genres...Or aspects of musical history...

Wow, great thread! This should be a sticky.

One of my favorites documentaries is Tom Dowd & the Language of Music.

Thank you very much it seems fascinating!

For any poet words are mucic in itself, rythm , melody and harmony...

It is the reason why i admire and love Gesualdo and Monteverdi the geniuses who created opera by revealing the words potential rythms inflexions...Two unique composers because the music comes more from the "born again" words with their own music then putting music on ready made words...

Welcome here by the way...😊

Not a documentary, but an interesting interview by Terry Gross of a musician who lost his hearing (& nearly his life) in a terrorist train bombing. Over the course of his recovery, as he listened to recordings at volumes high enough that he could feel the words, he began writing songs, better than ever before. He once said, in an interview with Stu Nunnery (another musician who suffered catastrophic hearing loss), “That was when I became a songwriter. Really that is when I became an artist. Like I found words and texture. Sound is a texture.” Sam Baker NPR Fresh Air Interview

 

Thanks very much.... It will be interesting...

My favorite documentary series is Classic Albums where they go and interview how classic albums we all know were created:

https://www.youtube.com/@classicalbums

Thanks very much....  I will see it...

Here’s a video wherein a musician sits at a piano, explaining and demonstrating the construction of Brian Wilson’s masterpiece of a song, "God Only Knows":

 

https://youtu.be/PjPN9zRUrgI?si=iUrEC88LWrxKw9EO&amp;t=11

 

Now if you dont know her listen to one of the greatest mind of his time : Hildegard of Bingen a true genius , in medecine, music, nature, prophecy and mysticism...

His music :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei88J4lERbk

Some explanation about his language :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8tpCOEWX6U

In the ECM catalog a genius multi-inswtrumentist as Hildegard of Bingen did before him , invented his own language and sing only in this language : Stephen Micus...

I own all his albums, he plays all instruments and use only his voice for all parts ... ... As for Hildegard of Bingen i love , i like Micus ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P2ywlJ8j5A

I am interested in ancient instruments and old singing in old language...

Peter Pringle chanel is a treasyry of amazing discoveries.. He is a multi instrumentist linguist vocalist genius...

An exemple here and explore his channel and remind yourself of your last incarnations perhaps 😊:

He sing in sumerian on a reconstructed sumerian instrument...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPcB7NlI3fo

 I am interested by the power of harmonic chant and overtone singing too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC9Qh709gas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak8N-izFCHw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRMlQ2OtZlY

Being a lover of Choral music i love particularly children chorus music...

But i am fascinated by bass voice and octavist voice...

What are they ?

The best explanation ever here from the elephant mouth :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B9LREuIa4I

here a compilation :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKWueUXhYzg

My favorite piano school is the russian one ...

This short video explain why :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PUYMM7HTB4

When i listened music all my life i was seeing geometrical pattern dynamically changing in my mind’s eyes...

I always thought that is was meaningless imagination...

I love Bach over any composer because his geometry was stunning for me...

It was not illusions at all...

Listen to this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsjV1gjBMbQ

Acoustics is geometry dynamics and fractals after all....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3oItpVa9fs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to_dtcZP1EE

One of the great documentary in jazz history ...

It is about Chet Baker story...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PGeOZqvISk&t=3290s

My second documentary is about Pat Martino tumor recovery after the lost of his memory and even the lost of all his playing abilities and the story of his coming back...

Not only is this man a great guitarist , but a great man...

Unbelievable moving story :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuuDSU9lQxw

My first video ...

It is about some aspect of the relation between microphones history   and music history...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTcnNWK2oxk