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Horn based loudspeakers why the controversy?

As just another way to build a loudspeaker system why such disputes in forums when horns are mentioned?    They can solve many issues that plague standard designs but with all things have there own.  So why such hate?  As a loudspeaker designer I work with and can appreciate all transducer and loudspeaker types and I understand that we all have different needs budgets experiences tastes biases.  But if you dare suggest horns so many have a problem with that suggestion..why?
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dev
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Wow guys what's with all the luv? I have read through the pages and it absolutely amazes me with some of the childish behavior. Who cares - there is no perfect speaker period, most have their preference which is fine - does that make another inferior? no.

It's a personal preference - pick your poison and enjoy!

I noticed allot replying do not have ownership experience and just enjoy pushing those keys and in my opinion just lack credibility.

Many wonder why so many of us do not contribute anymore - try being constructive. I read one poster referring to specific Avantgarde speakers making his ears bleed - please what a joke and so misleading to others reading. When I read such nonsense clearly demonstrates credibility.

You can read through my years of past postings, I have owned many speaker designs - I appreciate what they have to offer. Currently I own a pair of Avantgarde (yes horn speakers) current XD design and I'm very happy! Never thought I would own because of my past experience but with keeping an open mind find them to be very nice indeed. Have them being driven by ARC 75SE and paired up with REF6 

dev
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Soundsrealaudio - What bs generalized posting coming from a dealer, never mind not disclosing such letting others whom don’t know reading. Defiantly demonstrates lack of any credibility!
dev
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I have enjoyed owning numerous different designed speakers over the past 20+ years including MBL's for a long time which I really like.

I have found with some horn designs there are areas which they offer more similarities than differences sonic wise as mentioned above by a few in the last posts. Another area I like about my current speakers is being 107 dB so this opens up a new window of so many options of pairing up with lower powered amplification where this wasn't so with my MBL's to produce the sonic characteristics I was after.

So far I have tried a couple of low powered including SET amplification but to date prefer ARC Ref 75SE & REF6 pre combo as a whole package - so far hasn't left me missing anything where as others did. Are they the end all? no! but besides the sonic offerings neither pce produces much if any heat - nice looking to me - tubes provide lots of listening life. I just enjoy listening which in the end it's all about.

dev
832 posts
 

soundsrealaudio ak Jim


you really are digging a deeper and deeper hole for your self clearly demonstrating any lack of credibility as a dealer - I recall meeting you at a RMAF show where you were overly enthusiastic hyping up what I feel is a way over priced speaker design you were representing. Was a pleasant conversation - you were knocking down all other speakers feeling yours were the be all BEST! which is so far from the truth. When I listened briefly TRYING TO HEAR what you were conveying actually clearly described what you have wrote in both of your posting generalizing all horn design speakers which I find is so ironic and funny!

You must wonder why others in the hobby are not interested in such - maybe use your time and energy by starting your own speaker thread - you will quickly find out what people think or possibly get no replies.   

dev
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soundsrealaudio aka Jim

just stop with your false generalization statements towards all horn designed speakers as you have wrote because it's far from being true and comes across as a troll - revert back to your own speakers and put the time and energy into schlepping them.
For a dealer such as your self to be posting as you have only demonstrates your credibility and hurts your reputation once individuals know who you are, individuals can just look at your past postings, read to figure it out. 

Any dealer or manufacture posting it should be mandatory they add their affiliation signature at the bottom of each posting so readers know, makes a difference for others like myself whom are just end users. 

F.Y.I. When at a show your product should speak for it's self - you shouldn't have to lower your self putting down others, you were pleasant though and we did have a nice conversation but your system well that was a different story.
dev
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soundsrealaudio

Ha! Ha! You really don’t get it do you? - how does it feel? It’s obvious by you taking the time in posting such.

F.Y.I. Are you a diehard believer go to type of guy from what reviewers say - if so LOL! Do they keep you in business with their accommodation discounts - no!
How many owners are there on ANY forums and in the WORLD with this set-up? Take the time giving it some thought asking yourself why because I can tell you it has nothing to do with cost.
dev
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soundsrealaudio

that goes to say with NUMEROUS speaker designs and audio related gear in general.

Speakers alone are very personal and subjective, once you find one promising you then need to match with associated gear including cables, not just anything!  - lets not forget your room which is also very important along with power source - so many factors come into play. Put a nice speaker and associated gear into a crappy room, it will sound crappy for example.

I have experienced over the years listening to allot of owners systems that personal flavor has allot of similarities to comparing too food taste - some like it boring - mild - hot and suicide hot!  I respect all and can except and appreciate and why it's so personal. 

I don't understand nonsense posts which comes across as only trolling as you have done in several postings, you being in the business you should have knowledge and be experienced enough to know such, to me only demonstrates your lack of credibility. Also it' absolutely laughable when I read individuals making up their mind, relying on such or trying to influence others upon listening at shows and saying it's this or that like you did with your ridiculous posting that you deleted - come on give me a break, so full of bs!

You have to live with what ever it is - speakers being the worse due to break-in time. Drivers not properly integrating for example - I can go on 
  
I recently got rid of a pair of expensive Wilson Benesch speakers (G E O M E T R Y   S E R I E S), without mentioning the actual model. I found I initially liked this and that (others came over to listen but only once they had allot of hours on them and I did not hear sonic changes) because the sound was new to me but I also found areas that I did not enjoy to the point of not listening as much as I would normally. You won't read anywhere me bashing them because I know it's subjective and personal. Put back in a pair Avantgarde XD series horn speakers not mentioning model but recall saying to myself yes this is what it's prefer, others whom had already heard also confirmed the horns were their preference too and they do not personally own this type of design.  So who is right or wrong? No one, pick your poison and build around them.  

Audio in general can be a never ending journey chasing your tail sorta speaking but as long as you are listening to music in the end that's what it's all about.
So enjoy!
dev
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soundsrealaudio

WOW! I see you getting defensive now with your comments - anyone that's on meds and needs to take another one would be you,  just goes to show anyone reading your true colours. You post ridiculous non true statements - all you are doing is trolling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmm I never owned a pair? - ha! ha! Sorry you are wrong I did. Suppose I never owned a TechDas Airforce One table or MBL 101 Extremes - or Vac Statement mono blocks and pre and phono and can go on and on either - you have no clue!!!! 
dev
832 posts
 
james_w514 Why? I have nothing to prove - would likely say they weren't mine anyways. Ha! Ha!

One can easily look into my previous postings along with feedback sales seeing some of the items sold listed over the years.

I'm replying to his idiotic troll replies and lasts sarcastic remark - can't wait to see him in person at next years RMAF, I'm sure his tone will be different and I'll bring him some meds LOL!
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