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Capacitor rolling.

My son is getting to the Audio World.  Bought a Vincent Hybrid Pre-Amp and Vincent Hybrid Amp.

Both us MKP Film caps on each signal line-out paths. He wants a little more warm from the/voice- strings

Audio Note offers  some of their Caps for those Cap rollers. In Silver/Gold./ Cooper &Alum foil.

Very pricey compared to MKP caps. 7 times+

By the way MKP is widely used by many high-end electronic audio gear Mfg because of their very-very neutral sound & fast transits. Has anyone in this forum  have any feed back on CAP rolling? And Audio Note Caps??

Trust Me signal path Cap rolling can produce more changes than Tube rolling does in some cases..


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grannyring
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Another vote for Jupiter. The copper foil are more resolving and the VT line of Jupiter caps are less expensive with better "warmth" if that is what you really want. 
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Jupiter,  we'll Jupiter VT caps are are more affordable really. I find they sound far better than the midrange Clarity line however. 

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The poster is looking for warmth. All caps have a sound or personality as does all gear. The Jupiter VT caps are natural sounding with lots of meat on the bones....opposite of thin and bright sounding. Nice resolution, but they deliver the goods with a nice warmth. Perfect for the poster.

The Jupiter copper foil caps are more resolute yet, with more top end extension and air. They reveal Micro details of the music better and do all of this with a smoothness that is both natural and easy on the ears. 

Yes the Jupiter caps are very,  very quiet and well damped just like  Duelund caps. Amazing what the removal noise does for music! 
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Agreed! I do like the new PIO or PIW (Wax) caps today from Duelund and Jupiter better, but they are crazy expensive. I use the NOS Russians, the 75 series, in crossovers. When I can afford it I go for the Jupiter copper foils in my upgrades. 
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Yes direction plays a role in terms of outer and inner foil windings. Many cap manufacturers, not all, mark the outer foil end of the cap in some manner.  Outer foil is the input end of the cap while the inner foil is the output side. They do sound different when reversed. 
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Noise is certainly part of it on some caps, but it is more than that. It is surprising how tone and other SQ factors change slightly with direction. This is especially true in passive crossover networks. I spoke with the manufacturer of some very high end caps and he shared that these differences in Sonic character are not always worse, but just different depending on application and other system variables. Couple this reality with burn in SQ changes and we have fuel for extreme audiophile anxiety.
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Great caps. Well done! They will take up to 250 hours to fully burn in. Here is what I have found in terms of your listening burn in ride. They sound pretty good right away and then the SQ goes south around 50 hours. No worries, all will be fine. They just keep opening up and sounding more at ease and natural with more hours. You will really be in heaven after some 150- 200 hours. This is true for these tightly wound and highly damped PIO type caps. Yes they are in wax, not oil, but still the same burn in reality.

Goodness, the larger values used in speakers can can up to 400-500 hours to fully settle in. 


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