Calling all Aesthetix Callisto / Io Owners


I have owned an Io (standard version with 1 power supply) for a little over a year. I replaced all the tubes in the audio chassis with Telefunken tubes and this was a huge improvement. And this week I took delivery of a Callisto (signature with 1 power supply).

1: Since I also have another line stage here (BAT 31SE) I would like to try both of the Aesthetix power supplies for the Io to see if I ultimately want to go with two supplies here. I would also like to try both power supplies in the Callisto to hear what is gained over just one P.S. But I see that the power cables between the PowerSupply chassis and the Io have different pinouts than the cables used to the Callisto. Are the power supplies interchangeable or are they pinned specifically for either the Io or Callisto?

2: Are there tubes within the Callisto that significantly benefit from tube rolling?

3: Has anyone done a shootout between the Standard and Signature Io? .... and what were the differences?

4: On the Callisto, when I move the "Right Level" control, there is a slight crackle/static sound from full attenuation to the first step and then again in the next 2-3 steps. From then on the noise is gone. I have swapped tubes between the L & R channels, swapped power cables between L & R, tried using a different set of inputs, swapping outputs to opposite amp inputs, etc. The problem stays with the right side. Does the right level control need to be "cleaned"?

Thank you in advance for any input here.

John
jafox

Showing 5 responses by albertporter

Jafox, here it is: I think that thread has been deleted but I saved a copy in my computers note pad.

TUBES FOR AESTHEITX

Regarding the comments by Bud and Rayhall, the 6922 Sovtek would be my first change. For additional midrange and air, try the Siemens 6922 CCa or the Amperex US Military 7308 CEP. If either of these produce too much midrange presence, try the Mullard 6922 (gold pin). Realize, that when you upgrade to one of these higher resolution NOS 6922's you are listening with more intensity to the weaknesses of the remaining (original) tubes. You are judging the replacement, plus all that it exposes downstream. If after changing to the CCa or CEP, you find that there is too much "grit" in the sound, try swapping the 6SN-7 as described in my long post. After that, if you are feeling adventuresome, trade out the first stage 12AX7 tubes (Io only). Note, these 12AX7's are the ones I warned about, get TESTED, ultra noise tubes for this position. My first choice and the most beautiful sound is the Telefunken 12AX7. Other options are the RCA 5751, a US Military version of the 12AX7. The 5751 will alter the tonal balance somewhat, as it is not an exact replacement. There will be a slight loss in gain, with improved signal to noise and lower distortion. Overall, the sound will be a bit more on the dry side. One final suggestion would be the 12AX7 French Mazda. A good sample of this will produce significant improvements in high frequency transparency, especially compared to the Sovtek. However, the Mazda has not been without problems in my experience. The samples I received are not equally reliable or equally low noise. Some will play perfectly for many months while retaining their original "voice" while other samples will develop horrible microphonics and tube noise in as little as a week. This is a situation that could lead to disappointment with the Io, when in fact, the tubes are the culprit. Unfortunately, there must be some risk and experimentation within your own system to determine what is best.

Quick answer on tubes. If you have not swapped the EL 34 tubes in the power supplies you are in for a big surprise. Perhaps as big as the Telefunkens in the main unit.

I agree with what has been said about differences between regular and Signature models, the Signature has superior coupling caps which are a big improvement. Be sure you check the circuit board of the Io to insure the original (OEM Mills) resistors have been replaced with Roederstein. The Roederstein. are much quieter and better resolution. The defective Mills was the cause of all the uproar some years ago about "tube noise." It was defective resistors, NOT tube noise.

Jim White bought the most expensive, best quality, Military grade Mills resistors and they were bad. Caused him a lot of grief, I can only imagine what the US Government did to Mills over that deal.

As for different pin outs, I believe you have one older and one newer model power supply. The newer models have a SAFETY device. Remove the octal plug and the voltage is cut. Two places inside the Callisto and Io are 405 Volts and 610 Volts. The new plug is to protect users from being hurt.

VERY IMPORTANT !! If for any reason you wish to disconnect and re-connect the outboard power supply on Aesthetix Io or Callisto, you must wait 20 minutes before reattaching the umbilical cord.

The caps store energy and if you plug back to the main unit before the bleeder resistors bring the voltage down to safe level, you will blow the regulators. End result, no sound even though the tubes light up. Must be returned to the factory for repair unless you are very handy with a pencil solder gun and get instructions and parts from Jim White.


The IO sounds beautiful and a considerable improvement, we only have one other source (CD) is the addition of the Callisto with 2 x power supplies really any better than this?

Yes, In fact a Callisto with single power supply added to the Io will boost your performance. I have personally tested the Io with several preamps and the improved performance is directly related to the quality of the preamp added.

I must say the Audio Research Ref 2 with NOS tubes was a very good upgrade although not as grand as a Callisto. I have not heard the ARC Ref 3 in my system with an Io but would like to.

Congratulations on your upgrade, do you know what tubes are in your Io, original or premium NOS?
IO without volume control's would sound best with Callisto?

No real performance difference between an Io with or without volume control.

However, buying with a volume control adds $2500 - $3000 to retail that could go towards the Callisto. Once the Io is joined up with a preamp (ANY preamp), the Io volume control is of no value.
Hemisferik, here is the link to suggestions posted here at Audiogon.

Aesthetix tubes

No matter where you live the internet allows you to search world wide for tubes. The EL34 are easy, perhaps Mullard can be found locally. I've bought Telefunken tubes from a vendor in Australia, perhaps I can find his email address for you.

The best source for the ultra low noise tubes for the Io phono first stage is Andy Bauwman at Vintage tube here in the USA. You may email me through the Audiogon server and I will send you links to all my suppliers.
Exlibris says,
I don't doubt that both of these 'phonostages' actually sound better when used with a separate linestage, I'm just not sure why that is the case.

That sums it up, it just happens that the additional gain, impedance matching and circuity helps the sound.

Don't you think we Callisto owners would be eager to pocket the thousands of dollars from selling, plus freeing up shelf space if it did not matter a great deal?

The Io is great but it does not perform nearly as well by itself as through the Callisto (or an ARC Ref).

There are lots of things in high end audio that don't make sense, perhaps this is one of them.