Big speakers in small room at moderate volume levels


My office is 11’W x 10’L x 9’H and is where I can listen to music for the next few years. I have a toddler and, for now, he has commanded the big spaces in the rest of the house. I have auditioned the Magico A3 and wanted to buy it but that was before I was relegated to the smallish office (I was expecting to move to a bigger room). I have removed the closet doors in this office room. The removal of the closet door gives me another 4 feet of depth to this room, though for only 1/2 width of the room. I can sit unobstructed 8 feet away from the speakers before I hit the area where the closet ends (so near field listening).

I currently I have KEF LS50 with Peachtree Nova 150. It is good and I can listen for the whole day without fatigue. I listen to FM, digital files on ROON, and my Sony SCD-1 SACD player. I want a bigger sound so I am looking at bigger speakers. I also do not want to use a sub since I am not a fan. I will also upgrade the NOVA 150 to the NOVA 500 in Spring 2019 and use with the LS50’s in a bedroom.

I came to the conclusion that my tastes would be best served by one of KEF Reference 1 or Magico A3. I was thinking that I would use the Lyngdorf 3400 in this room but I am having seconds thoughts on this now (some A’gon comments that it maybe a little dry). I am interested in solid state AB units like the Hegel H590 and Mark Levinson 585 to drive the speakers. I have heard the ML 585 and it is a fatigue free sounding unit that was a joy to listen to. I have not heard the Hegel H590 yet (but have heard other Hegels with KEF) and I am in the process of getting an audition of the H590. I have also discounted the class AB Micromega M-One 150 (with MARS room correction) because I do not want a cooling fan blowing in the room.

I must mention that I do not listen that loud when I am working and when I am working very late at night the volume is very low. The Mark Levinson and A3 combo was very good at low volumes during my demo but that was in the dealers perfect large room.

1) Am I making a mistake foregoing room correction with the 2 integrateds I am considering? Should I go with the Lyngdorf and A3 or KEF Ref 1, though I have never heard the Lyngdorf?

2) Will the Magico A3 work in this small room at moderate volumes WITHOUT room correction or will I subject myself to headaches and fatigue?

I am going to ask the dealer selling the A3’s this question when I am ready to buy but i wanted to ask on A’gon first to get some feedback. I doubt I could get the A3’s into my room for a trial but I have not asked the dealer yet.

I think (not 100% sure) the KEF Reference 1 with a non room correcting amp should work in my office space but I would prefer to buy the Magico A3 for the office. I have plans to buy another KEF model once my kid is a bit older and I can kick him out of the big room.
yyzsantabarbara

Showing 16 responses by gdnrbob

I am a little late to this thread.
But, knowing ctsooner (I own his old Treo's). I have to say, that they will not 'overwhelm' you listening area. Period.
To add to your confusion, let me add that I also have an office (10x10x8) and am using the Vandy VLR's with a pair of HSU subs. I have to say it plays very nicely. I have the speakers mounted near the ceiling and directed toward my desk-so nearfield listening. Non fatiguing, and very engaging. I wouldn't call it the best setup, but for work it certainly is more than most.
 
My Treo/2wq setup resides in my LR/DR (12x18x8-speakers near the middle-9', and about 2 feet from the walls). Actually, it is a bit more complex than that, but you'd need a picture. Suffice it to say, they aren't in the 'best' of spots.
To my ears, the Treo's sound as natural and unassuming as a speaker can be. 
I hate to be confined to a single area when I listen. In fact, my main seat is almost directly in front of the left speaker. I don't hear that speaker beaming directly at me, but a full sound stage. An imaginary hall that emanates between/behind the speakers. 
I can sing praises for these speakers for a long time, but the choice is yours. If you like, I can give you more details, rather than hijack a thread.
Bob


@tomic601 ,
I broached this with John Rutan and he seemed to poo poo the idea of digital room correction. I am intrigued by it, as Almarg seems to find his DEQX to be a valuable addition. 
Are you using it with your systems?
B
@yyzsantabarbara ,
Funny, I thought I read you were discounting them, but I can't find the post.
Bob
I still wouldn't cut the Vandy's. My Treo's are great, but having the EQ bass would be the way to go without adding too much to the size of the speaker. 
I urge you to at least give them a listen.
Bob
If you want something stand mounted the Vandy VLR is exceptional for the money. I have them in my office, using them off axis (actually mounted near the ceiling corners on wall mounts). Very nice and relaxing, and detailed. I have listened to them with and without subs, when placed by corners, the bass is substantial.
Bob
I will still stand by my recommendation of the Vandy VLR. Of course, it isn't up to the Treo's, but I have to say it really makes my office alive.
I didn't think they were up to the task, and I tried a pair of Zu Omen Bookshelves, but the Vandy VLR beat them hands down.
You can now get them with the Carbon Tweeters, though at a higher cost.

Bob
@yyzsantabarbara .
I have never heard of the Kaya until now. Thanks for posting that, now I have something else to try listening to in addition to MBL and German Physics.
Bob
@yyzsantabarbara .
If you do get the Treo's, I don't think you will be 'frustrated' by their performance in your office. The best part is when they can be moved to the larger room, you can get the Vandy subs and be as close to a Quatro at a fraction of the cost(buying used, that is).
Bob
@yyzsantabarbara ,
The whole DSP/DEQX stuff seems to me a bit much. Though I can understand the concept, I just don't see why you have to go through hoops to get 'perfect' sound. Just my opinion...
I also wonder why, considering that you can tailor the sound to the room, that you can't take any speaker and tune it to the sound you like? Like make a Magico sound like a Persona, or at least closer?
Bob
@yyzsantabarbara ,
Yes, thanks for clarifying things.
I know that everyone's room isn't the 'perfect' room by a long shot, but I think a good speaker manufacturer takes this into consideration and produces a product that should sound good in as many rooms as possible. Hence, my love of the Vandy's.
DSP and all the other stuff is icing on the cake. IMHO.

B
Saw new pics and left a post. I'm glad you are getting closer to what you want.
B