Best Tubed Preamp For A Warm, Rich Sound, Yet Still Detailed and Agile


As the title says, I am looking for an exceptional preamp (obviously tubed) with warmth and liquidity, some of that golden glow, in the midrange and highs. I do not want slowness, or lack of detail, however. My budget is up to $6,000.00, for a used model. 

Based on my research, many of those that might make the list are very rare to find, and other recommendations would be greatly appreciated. 


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Showing 4 responses by almarg

Tak1, the concern regarding the rise that I cited in the SLP-05’s output impedance to 3400 ohms at 20 Hz (per Stereophile’s measurements), from considerably lower values at higher frequencies, has nothing to do with volume. That kind of impedance rise at low frequencies, btw, is not at all uncommon among tube preamps, and occurs as a result of the output coupling capacitor which the majority of tube preamps use.  (The impedance of a capacitor rises as frequency decreases). The concern it raises is that in the deep bass region, especially in the bottom octave, some degree of rolloff and/or undesirable phase shifts may occur, if the load impedance is too low.

A rule of thumb that will assure that no such effects occur is to apply a factor of 10 to the 20 Hz output impedance, which in this case would mean a load impedance of 34K or more. That does not mean that a problem would necessarily occur if that criterion is not met (it depends on how the output impedance **varies** as a function of frequency); it means that a problem won’t occur if that criterion is met.

Also, the audibility of any rolloff or phase shifts that might occur will vary among different systems depending on the deep bass extension of the speakers that are being used. And also depending on whether or not a subwoofer is being used.

As I said in my post that John (Jmcgrogan2) referred to, "30K would be somewhat marginal (or worse) for use with several of the preamps that have been suggested." Personally, I prefer to avoid component choices that might be marginal in some way, when good choices are available which don’t have that concern. Also, John makes a good point about the fact that the benefits of the SLP-05’s balanced architecture would not be fully taken advantage of if it is used with an amp providing only unbalanced inputs and having an unbalanced internal signal path.

Regards,
-- Al

P.S. to my previous post, re the Herron preamp. Karl Lozier’s review of an earlier version of the VTSP-3A states as follows, as quoted at the Herron website:
The fact that it has a tad ... more bass fullness, richness and power in the mid to upper bass is only a part of overall experience and does tend to reveal its vacuum tube heritage. The audibly extended high frequency response has its own attraction at the same time being silky smooth and sweet while revealing even more inner detail. That is a really tough balancing act for an audio designer to successfully accomplish.
Sounds very consistent with the sonic traits you indicated you are looking for.

Good luck. Regards,
-- Al


While the description of the Innamorata at the Wells Audio website as well as in various reviews indicate its input impedance as 50K, its manual indicates 30K. I don’t know which number is correct, of course, but 30K would be somewhat marginal (or worse) for use with several of the preamps that have been suggested. For example, Stereophile measured the 20 Hz output impedance of the Lamm LL2 at 3.3K, and the 20 Hz output impedance of the Cary SLP-05 at 3.4K, both of which would be just barely acceptable in conjunction with a 30K load, IMO. I’d have even greater concerns about the unspecified output impedances of the Shindo products. For example, Stereophile measured the output impedance of the Aurieges phono preamp as rising to 16.5K (!) at 20 Hz, which would not be suitable even in conjunction with a 50K load IMO.

Also, the Atmasphere preamps that were suggested would probably not be optimal choices for use with the Innamorata, as they are fully balanced and provide RCA outputs only as an option.

A specific suggestion I would add to those that have been mentioned is the Herron VTSP-3A, at $6550. I haven’t heard it myself, but members whose opinions I have considerable respect for have been very pleased with it, and the extremely positive experiences I and many others here have had with Herron’s VTPH-2 phono stage, and in dealing with Keith Herron himself (who is a treasure to deal with), lead me to suggest it.

Good luck. Regards,
-- Al

What amplifier will you be using?

There have been many worthy suggestions, but as Georgehifi alluded to earlier impedance compatibility with the amplifier needs to be considered. Also, compatibility with the amplifier in terms of gain, and with respect to whether both components would be best suited for the same type of interconnection (i.e., balanced or unbalanced).

Regards,
-- Al