Are there speakers that disappear regardless of the recording?


I have a pair of B&W 805d3’s. Strictly analog system. Source is the Clearaudio Ovation, Hana SL cart. Herron VTPH-2A phono stage. Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II integrated amp. The speakers sound great most of the time. I have many records that cause the speakers to essentially disappear with a holographic sound stage, beautiful imaging and great dynamics. Some other records, not so much. Curious if there’s a way to achieve disappearing speakers no matter what recording you throw at them? Thanks!

paulgardner

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@ ishkabibil

Ever played a Beatles song where George Martin pans hard right or left?

A. Imaging i.e. locating instruments in space ain’t the same as

B.. speakers disappearing (does not require A)

The question is B and we’ve listed a number of speakers in this thread which one can go and listen to and experience B however people keep saying no A isn’t possible which isn’t the question or the same thing..  And if you don't know what I'm talking about--trying listening to one of the mentioned speakers for yourself and see  if I/we are correct or not.

 

I wonder if the meridians and Thiels (mentioned above) have wide dispersion and if many/most wide dispersion speakers have this quality.

My ancient Mirage M3 bipoles, as well as my LSA small bookshelf speakers (wide dispersion) disappear no matter the recording.. I gather this works for omnis also. Caveat is that while you get a wide soundstage, if precise imaging is important, I’d listen before buying as you may not get what you want.

The original poster's question is about speakers disappearing i.e. if you close your eyes do the sounds appear to be all coming from the speakers, or do they "disappear".    This is not the same as imaging i.e. can you tell where the violin is and  what it's relation is to other instruments and not the same  as wide soundstage  i.e. how large an area in your room do the instruments appear to be arrayed in.

3 different questions.

whitestix

Two that come to mind are the above-mentioned Linkwitz LXmini's (where the sweet spot exists pretty much everywhere in the room)"

 

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What I am talking about is that not only do the speakers disappear sitting in the sweet spot (for any music), but if I move a few feet in any direction , I still don’t hear the sound as originating from 2 boxes, just a wall (area?) of sound. Again just talking about disapearing (not localizing instruments)..

And if may be that those who have only heard typical box speakers have not experienced this (perhaps they wouldn’t like it). There is a reason omnis are popular (note though that Jay didn’t like the MBLs at recent show), The mirage bipoles (in phase front and rear drivers) were popular and I was surprised to find this in the LSA. box speakers(I assume because they are wide dispersion).

Not sure if Maggies, and open baffles have this quality or not.

There is a reason speakers other than low dispersion boxes are and will remain popular--changing sound radiating pattern (for better or worse-=your taste) is one thing unlike frequency response that only speakers (well and room treatments) can change.  

And room treatments may ruin this--dunno.