andysf, "You don’t know who I am and what I have seen." I know what you wrote. So, when you joined, I thought it was not banned to ask. You made a statement with a hundred times more of a sum. I merely doubled. If people interacting with you on a public forum is not amusing to you, there is only one way to prevent it. By the way, it was not a joke to me. I was curious where the line would be drawn. |
"I can't figure out why the hell toilet paper is scarce again?" This thread used it all. |
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What about "Chinese-owned" "western" companies? |
"Hopefully we will not have a conveniently short memory and return to the same path..." I am afraid you are overestimating the brilliance of business managers. |
"Time to put the demands on American and European sources!" How did Europe get a free pass? |
It is disgusting to read some of the comments here. Anger at the country that tried to work hard and outdid your own laziness. |
"In 1979 I attended a large conference on communism." The one in Moscow? In any case, a conference on communism may not be the world's most objective environment. Regardless of who organizes it. |
I just canceled an order for a PrimaLuna EVO 400. I found out it was made in China. I currently have no amp but that is better than having this one from China. You rock! |
"...and economic strength; it’s somewhat scary." For a moment, I thought it was about amazon.com. "...bring back our manufacturing base." Why is everyone so eager to bring the pollution back? |
What does the nomenclature of some virus actually have to do with the products from some region of the world?
Is everyone aware that virus is not a piece of audio equipment?
As a side note, this particular virus has been named SARS-CoV2, not Covid-19. It may be an incorrect name for the virus, but that is what it stands for now.
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@geoffkait , nope. Whats wrong with you is you haven’t made any jokes yet today Or yesterday. Or the day before. Or the day before that. |
"...to make some sacrifices in order for the greater good." Greater good for what? For whom? Question for brilliant economists here, who takes a bigger chunk of a $1000 iPhone price? Someone in China or someone in the U.S.A.? How is that $1000 distributed? |
"I call not buying Chinese part of defending our country." What country? |
b_limo,
Do approach it with an open mind. Many responses here are not being that way and seem to be written by people with a lots of time on their hands/minds. Some are informational, though.
I am still puzzled why does current pandemic of some virus seem to trigger such strong feelings about another country's economy and government. Not to mention, Chinese government now is not the same one from 50 years ago. Aging and all that.
However, if one decides to claim some succession of one government to another government as being a continuum, should people of the U.S.A., and the world as a whole, stop buying U.S.A. made products? Following the thoughts, which are admittedly very hard to follow with any logic, about virus and Chinese amplifiers, one needs to first think of Operation Sea-Spray.
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b_limo, "Do you think this thread would be allowed in China?" I have no idea and it means nothing anyway, but if I had to guess I would say that the thread urging people of China to stop buying U.S.A. made products may be tolerated. Just a guess, no knwoledge. I would not call China a "cancer", but I might call consequences of manufacturing, via exposure during production or overall pollution, a cancer. "Do not support Communist China." Nobody does. Given the number of private enterprises and long history of enterpreneurship, China is hardly a communist country. |
So, what does the virus have to do with buying Chinese-made products?
Are you afraid you will contract it on your purchased items? You are more likely to contract it from your neighbor. |
"Seeing how little they regard life, and punish smaller countries and control when they see fit." Wait, what country was this about? There are many contestants on different continents. |
isochronism, "What reason would they have to down-play numbers?" Consider the possibility that there was no reason, but there was an explanation. For example, that experience gathered over time uncovered some unknown ways Covid-19 may present. As time goes by, you may realize that what you did not connect then might have easily been Covid-19 in the way you know now. |
"Glubson is a shill, guys. HA" Girls, glupson is the real thing. |
I bought pillowcases from the U.S.A. based department store via the Internet. Some English brand name. They are made in China. I could not know it when ordering.
What would those who avoid Chinese products now do? Throw them away? Ask for money back? Use them as they would have not bought them but they were naively tricked so it is not their fault? Anything else? Start a thread on a pillowcase forum?
Is there a way to figure out if people making those pillowcases were paid by a friendly Chinese capitalistic enterpreneur, or by the Chinese government through their company? How do middle-of-the-roaders solve this enigma?
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"CDC admits lying about Covid-19 death numbers" in NYC. I knew they were undercounting it. I knew it was more than reported. |
b_limo, "No one here has said anything about Chinese people, its the Chinese government." Strange as it may seem, Chinese government is made of Chinese people. I assume that CCP you are referring to is not CCCP that it seems like. If it is Chinese government, as I think you are implying, I do not think it is a cancer. It is a government. And, as a side note, some other country’s government really should not be anybody’s business. Why you are so certain that Chinese people, you may call them governement if you wish, want to destroy America is beyond any imagination. I am assuming that "America" is U.S.A., and that you are not implying that Chinese people are plotting how to destroy Brazil. "I do However appreciate our freedoms here that our military service men and women has given to us through huge sacrifices." Your appreciation seems noble, but what does it have to do with hard-working people of China? "the virus rose awareness for me, and others possibly, that we might want to be concerned about the CPC’s economic and military strength due to our contributing to their economy." I get that virus originating in China may remind you of China, but how do you connect it with fear from economic strength? Maybe economic weakness? It weakened every economy out there. https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-ravages-chinas-economyand-its-just-getting-started-11587122...Have you ever had these fears of military strength when passing by some Chinese restaurant? Why now? Maybe a little introspection would help you relax. Over the last few weeks, many people have been exposed to too many thoughts and fears. There have been analyses of that already written. There is nothing wrong with you voicing your fears and concerns in times of insecurity, it is one way of coping, but try to get out of it calmer than when you entered. While working on a greater good, try to remember that a man assembling a hammer in China would like to feed his child, too. For some of us here, greater good is greater than our neighborhood. |
isochronism, "glubson, I will always discount your every post from now on. Believe that." I am a believer. At least this time. I have no problem with you discounting my posts although I am not sure how you will discount something I was giving away for free in the first place. Going back to your silly repost of CDC lying, it is not as simple as it seems. I actually do believe the number of Coronavirus-related deaths is higher than reported. Did I mention I am a believer? |
djones51,
There is some obscure and factually skewed article on the Internet that claims that and quotes a youtube video by a small town Montana physician explaining what went wrong with counts in New York City. To make it better, she actually does mention it is hard to do it prefectly correct.
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"Hey, the DC metro area now leads the country in cases and deaths." In what units? Total per day? Per 100 000 people? |
"Same usual suspects, same sh*t, new thread."
In these challenging times, we need a cozy comforting place. |
geoffkait, "Does anyone care how I feel?" I sincerely do. |
"Churches is how the coronavirus spread so rapidly..." Is there a way to calculate probabilty of contracting a virus if a person does not go to church? |
"Blindly consumed and obsessed by racism so much so that anything heard, tasted, touched and smelled is perceived without distinction to be thought automatically on racist terms?" Xenophobia is not the same thing as racism. |
b_limo (only), I know my earlier post was longish and so will this one be. Story about whatever virus reminded you of existence of China and instilled some fear. That may be understandable. However, you seem to be throwing many unrelated, or barely related, things in one pot. You appear to have something against the government of China, but it is not clear what bothers you there and how that pertains to you except on some fear level that may be completely unfounded. You consider them cancer and bad in some way while your fear being that government of China is making China economically and military strong. Isn’t that what every good government should do? You are leaning towards avoiding buying Chinese-made products and along the way imply that is for some patriotic reason, even completely out of context thanking U.S.A. soldiers for their service. What do they have to do with Chinese amplifiers? It would seem better thought-through and more helpful if you considered buying goods from your own country rather than buying it from everywhere else but one country. You are not contributing much to your country that way. You are only trying to hurt one particular country. That is not patriotism and greater good. That is a weak scream. Along the thread, and I do not recall who wrote what, there are cocktails of thoughts with no logic, or even facts. How come it is China that is so bad? Have you (plural) considered boycotting goods made in Italy? If you want traditionally dysfunctional government that its own nation constantly has something against, Italy is your choice. If you want a place heavily affected by this recent virus, even after being forewarned by the events in China, and still having flights from Milano to many other places, Italy is your choice. Quarantineing a little too late and letting people travel around the world? Northern Italy and Malpensa. Underreporting affected population until very late in the epidemics? Italy. (along with Great Britain and pretty much everyone heavily affected). Historically products that needed to be replaced sooner than expected? Italy of the past, seems barely better now. There is a term "Chinese mafia". Guess who Chinese were following/compared to. And yet, it is China that bothers people here. I have nothing against Italy and I do not suggest you stop eating spaghetti altogether. Except that Italians allegedly took them from Chinese. Intellectual property, or not. Those two countries cannot be separated in current mess, but you pick only on one. As they say, Coronavirus is like spaghetti. Came from China, but Italians spread it around the world. Try to put things in perspective and, by all means, do not buy anything from China if that is what your heart desires. Once I listened to a Cayin tube amplifier with Sonus-Faber standmount speakers. It was really good. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/world/europe/italy-chinese-mafia.html |
Those who know this is a man-made hoax, could you ask your sources when it will go away? It would help a lot. |
zyphryx,
I am aware of Chinese, and any other, gevernment trying to assert itself on the world stage and of not being nice players while doing that. That is hard not to notice and China may be the bully now. Not the only bully, though.
In this thread, there have been things thrown in the same bucket with not much logic. For example, OP who is asking questions to educate himself and then getting mad for getting an answer.
It seems reasonable if one does not want to support whoever for whatever reasons. In my mind "I have nothing against people but I am not supporting the government" is a litle strange. It is not some president that will suffer from that approach, it is the guy in the factory. I am not saying let's all buy everything from China to help a worker there. However, claiming patriotism by singling out one country while buying from every other does not make much sense for one's own progress. In OP's case "Buy American" may be more helpful than "Don't buy Chinese". Lifting self up instead of bringing others down, sort of.
Then, there is this new virus that gets tangled in the thinking process for some magical reason. It originated in China, killed people there, ruined their economy, and yet it seems people imply it was all on purpose. A man on the TV cries because of a virus and one should not buy a hammer from China. What the heck?
I mentioned Italy as it has gone through similar mistakes as most of the affected countries, China included, yet nobody talks about it. You could substitute Great Britain for Italy and it could easily be the same approach. Italy simply came to my mind first.
To be honest, I have been avoiding buying things made in China for the longest time and whenever possible. It is not because of their military strength, though. I also avoid buying things made in Italy, or at least I check them in the store for all possible flaws. It is not because of the virus, either. It is because of the long track record of shoddy quality.
Many people who grew up in "totalitarian regime" countries and then moved to "free western world" still wonder what is happening. They struggle with the lack of free speech and movement they have now. They remember not needing to be so careful about what they said. You needed to live it to believe it. Maybe people who grew up in the "free western world" feel the same. The world has changed. Thanks to Chinese-made surveillance cameras and microphones, at least to some large extent. Also, "free western world" is not unified in the feeling of those basic freedoms. Italy and U.S.A. are quite different, for example.
Sorry for this being long. I guess I am devil's advocate.
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"It was one of those inject lysol to get well jokes." Where did you find Lysol? |
"...the real number has even more zeros in it. Double Shazam!" Hold on, if the zero is at the end, it is tenfold Shazam, not a double. |
"...while our planet's health hurdles toward becoming uninhabitable..." In honor of the World Turtle Day (today), has anyone except me been concerned about turtles? What happens to them if billions of masks find their way to the seas? We were just about to eliminate straws and now we have this potential mask problem. |
Looking at the number of posts this morning, is it safe to assume it is raining in most of your localities? |
"Since 96% of a great ape's genome is similar to humans, are they a failed bio weapon..." No, they are peaceful group. "...or an improvement gone unrecognized?" That is a funny one. I may need to steal it before geoffkait gets to it. |
>>>>>I get it! You mean like in Alien? Only if it is a legal alien. |
noble100, "A happy ending to a tragic story..." That was not noble at all. You usually do much better. |
justmetoo, Glupson/Geoffkait, keep it coming, most entertaining stand-up comedy/banter 😂🤣😜 We are sorely misunderstood here. We are, in fact, serious. |
Ok, so it is just me in the rain. Not the best weather out there. |
Remember, this virus needs warm and moist environment to thrive. Sort of like in one’s blood vessels.
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geoffkait, "Speaking of standing out, shouldn’t you be standing out on a ledge somewhere?" I may not be the one you want to go down first. Speaking of Russia, Sweden, and Canada, their blood vessels are about the same temperature and humidity as those in Mexico, Antarctica, Congo, and Northern Virginia. |
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isochronism, "Too bad neither of them is the straight man ..... " You wish...🥰😘 |
